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05-02-07, 07:48 PM | #1 |
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What the hell is the USA anymore? What type of government?
I don't for a second believe we are a democracy, or even a capitalist state. Wiki has a rather incomplete list of the types of government. They don't mention republic in that list or fascism for that matter. Originally the USA was supposed to be a Republic. It even says it in our Pledge of Allegiance.
Anyway I was wondering what everyone(including people outside of the USA) thought our current form of goverment would be categorized as? Personally I would call it pretty close to an Oligarchy Or maybe a Plutocracy. What do you think?
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05-02-07, 07:54 PM | #2 |
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05-02-07, 09:33 PM | #3 |
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it's an evil empire run by corporations and John Howard.. you think its Bush and that senile old asshat that run the show but it really always been our Johnny all along. He was there in washington for the 911 event which he probably helped ochestrate months or years before Bush even got into office. As the the leader for the worldwide organization of conservatives he has been calling the shots all along. Don't underestimate this guy, you might think he is a little two-bit nobody but he holds reign over the most powerful conserative leaders in the world today. |
05-02-07, 09:56 PM | #4 |
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i run the whole enchilada, when i'm not too busy surfing dawn's threads. or napping.
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06-02-07, 12:32 AM | #5 |
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Well now, are we talking about what kind of government the Constitution established or what kind of regime is in power at this particular moment? The short answer to the first question is a constitution-based federal republic with strong a democratic tradition (that's what the world factbook says, anyway). But even that isn't sufficient as people can't always agree whether we're a federal union of states or a single nation. If people cannot agree on what the United States should be then what's our basis for comparison in deciding what the United States has become?
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06-02-07, 04:42 AM | #6 |
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Corporationocracy. Sponsored by...
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Here's an interesting take on where our government is headed:
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We are a country run by blood sucking government workers that just vote for their paycheck. It's a given that over 50% of the people in the USA get their checks from our gov. one way or the other. When other industries experience a slow down there are layoffs and cost cutting measures. This has NEVER happened with gov. workers. The worst that happens with them is that they get reclassified/transfered with usually a pay raise. Private industry has had to cut back on health care benefits because of the costs. Have any of you heard of the same thing happening to our wonderfully gov employees? Here in CA they get to retire at 50 with 90% of their pay, full health benefits and a cost of living increase every year. They, like most gov workers don't even pay into SS. I probably won't even get SS, But I'm sure I'll liable for funding our "wonderfull" hardworking govm'nt workers.
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06-02-07, 11:29 PM | #11 |
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In that case I think we have a republic that thinks it's ruled by the mob, a mob that thinks it's ruled by the corporate world, corporations that think they're ruled by labor unions, labor unions that think they're ruled by bureaucracy, a bureaucracy that thinks it is ruled by secrecy, secret societies that think they're ruled by tradition, traditions that actually are ruled by pop culture, a culture that's ruled by intellectual property law, IP laws that are ruled by international treaty, treaties (being the second highest law of the land) are ruled by the Constitution, the Constitution is ruled by the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court is ruled by the republic. The president probably fits in there somewhere, too. It's a big ball of red tape with no room left for science or religion which means it's a complicated mess for no good reason.
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06-02-07, 11:36 PM | #12 |
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Currently, I'd say a Peter-Principality.
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06-02-07, 11:55 PM | #13 |
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Dude, stop reading my mind.
I almost mentioned the Peter principle, but I figured what I had already written was bad enough. |
07-02-07, 04:30 PM | #14 |
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My opinion is the U.S. government is now basically a kleptocracy with the majority of its power based on it's ability to steal wealth from people and corporations and use it to support itself and its agendas.
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07-02-07, 06:22 PM | #15 |
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Come on milti... He said kleptoe.. (as in can't help but steal) The guy/girl has to be right every once in a while. Shehes damn right this time.
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08-02-07, 08:29 AM | #17 |
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Then how did Bush rise to his current exalted position? He wasn't competent enough to run an oil corp or a baseball team. How is he supposed to run a country?
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The vast majority of government jobs are not electoral and the Peter principle applies to them directly. However, it requires a corollary when applied to elected officials: in a hierarchy every elected official tends to rise to his perceived level of incompetence. Because elections are so fickle, true competence is indiscernible. Bush could be the worst president ever, or the best, but we'll never know as long as elections continue to hinge on his public image. In a couple decades when the Bush doctrine is no longer the central focus of politics, we'll be able to tell how competent he really was.
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I guess you could vote for hilllary
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09-02-07, 08:03 AM | #20 |
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I haven't voted for anyone in the 2 major parties in a long time. I don't trust Hillary any more than Bush.
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