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26-12-06, 06:47 PM | #1 | |
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Death toll of US troops in Iraq passes September 11
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26-12-06, 07:10 PM | #2 |
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It's a sad thing that any had to die and It really doesn't matter who died first either.
It is not something that is always logical. It can't be taught in math class. People will always fight in order that their descendent's can live. It might seem rude to the rest of the world, but the US needed to show that they are not cowards. Muslims know what I'm talking about. BTW.... I don't think that 'god is good'. History shows that he/she/it is a bloody ogre.
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26-12-06, 08:56 PM | #3 |
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2,749 people were killed in New York City, sans terrorists, by the 9/11 attacks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks The truth isn't important though, it's the propaganda. Stupid people have to manipulate other stupid people by whatever means possible. |
26-12-06, 10:51 PM | #4 |
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If you combine deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan, the 9/11 death toll (for all attacks) was surpassed on 09/23/2006.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14959937/ My point here is that the 2,973 people that died in (all) the attacks on 09/11/2001 died in several incidents within approximately one and one half hours, and the 2,973 that died in Afghanistan and Iraq died over a period of approximately five years. Let's see.... 2,973 deaths in 90 minutes averages about 33 deaths per minute, or about 1 death every 1.8 seconds. 2,973 deaths in 5 years (about 2,628,000 minutes) averages about 1 death every 883 minutes, or approximately 1 death every 14 hours and 43 minutes. Let’s compare the death rates. In Iraq/Afghanistan, there was (an average of) 1 death in 883 minutes. The 9/11 incidents didn’t occur over that large of a period of time. The 9/11 incidents claimed the lives in about 90 minutes. To compare the death rates we have to match time periods. Since the average for Iraq/Afghanistan is 1 death in 883 minutes, we’ll take the (average of) 33 deaths per minute and sustain it for the 883 minute period for 1 death to occur in Iraq and Afghanistan. 33 deaths per minute for 883 minutes = 29,139 deaths. So.... If we are going to spend something as precious as human life, it certainly makes sense to be as frugal as possible within the circumstances. Do we let terrorists run free, killing with wild abandon (33 deaths per minute for 883 minutes = 29,139 deaths) or challenge the terrorists on their own turf thereby taking losses at a lower rate (1 death as opposed to 29,139 deaths)? It’s not much of a choice. It doesn't take much imagination to think what the 29,138 people that would not die in this example would say. The soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan have training and weapons, and can fight back. The people that died in the terrorist attacks on 09/11 didn’t have a chance. Neither the Democrats nor anyone else is going to be able to appease the Islamic jihadists. Islamic terrorists want us to be Islam or to be dead, and we are not going along with that plan. Money from oil and (illicit) drugs fuel the jihad and extend it far beyond it's former restricted boundaries. In a taped message to the leaders of the (U.S.) Democratic Party, Al Qaeda #2 man Ayman al Zawahri has warned that the credit for the recent defeat of congressional Republicans belongs to terrorists. The taped message also called on Democrats to negotiate with Zawari and Osama Bin Laden only, and no others in the Islamic World. http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/...da_sends_.html It is the standard Islamic “join us or die” stance commanded by the Qur’an in chapter nine verse five. The Muslims can't even stop fighting amongst themselves, let alone consider such an agreement with International representatives. Any amount of deaths is bad, but which death toll do you prefer - 2,973 deaths in 90 minutes by NOT fighting terrorists OR 2,793 deaths in 5 years by fighting terrorists?
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26-12-06, 11:28 PM | #5 | ||
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WOW brings back memories Drak. I remember that pakistane corner store owner ripping his hairs off when Bush said, either you are with us or against us when 9/11 happened. Not much difference there is there? Either you are with us or against us = “join us or die”. No difference at all. Same ideaoligy, different countries. Quote:
When the tyrant has disposed of foreign enemies by conquest or treaty, and there is nothing more to fear from them, then he is always stirring up some war or other, in order that the people may require a leader. - Plato Last edited by miss_silver : 26-12-06 at 11:34 PM. Reason: plato quote |
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To me, there is a huge difference. President Bush is not a follower of Islam, and is therefor not following a "holy book" (the Qur'an) that contains instructions to kill everyone who is not Islam and will not convert to Islam. You can go to http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/ and read what the Qur’an says. The verse I reference as "join us or die" is in chapter nine, verse five (009.005). Chapter nine begins here http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html . Let's consider the statement "either you are with us or against us when 9/11 happened". Actually, I think it is quite a fair assessment. By now the people that read this board know where both of us stand in that area. Sorry, but to me "either you are with us or against us when 9/11 happened" is not even closely related to Quote:
If I google the keywords “iraq civil war” I get a number of sites (including BBC, CBS) that used the term “civil war” regarding Iraq dating back years ago. Blaming the current U.S. President for hostilities between religious factions in Iraq is ridiculous. The hostilities or “civil war” between the Kurds/Shiites/Sunnis has been going on long before President Bush (Sr. or Jr.) took office. Islam’s game plan has not changed over the centuries. The Pope quoted 14th century Byzantine Emperor Manuel II Palaeologus, who wrote that everything Mohammad brought was evil and inhuman, "such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." As usual, you conveniently sidestepped the issue of discussion (Iraq death toll numbers) with a diversion to another subject likely to cause debate.
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Another point is that the 3 thousand(or 2,793 for you sticklers) that died on Sept. 11 were civilians, not military as you pointed out. If we count up all the dead civilians in Iraq the total will be much higher. Even the families and loved ones of the dead Iraqii civilians probably don't care about frequency of death as much as the death itself.
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27-12-06, 03:31 PM | #8 | |
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However, a comparison between military deaths in Iraq and civilian deaths on 09/11/2001 is the topic of this thread. If you wish to open the example to the entire five year period and encompass Iraqi civilians who died, it’s easy to expand the comparison to include the entire 5 year period instead of the minimum necessary 883 minutes. 24 hours per day X 60 minutes per hour = 1440 minutes per day 365 days per year X 5 years = 1825 days 1825 - 1 day less due to leap year = 1824 days in the 5 year period 1824 days X 1440 minutes per day = 2,626,560 minutes in the 5 year period 2, 626,560 minutes X 33 deaths per minute at the 9/11 death rate = 86,676,480 deaths, or nearly four times the population of Iraq. The population of Iraq (according to http://www.arab.de/arabinfo/iraq.htm ) is 22,219,289 using a 1997 estimation. As I said previously: Any amount of deaths is bad, but which death toll do you prefer - 2,973 deaths in 90 minutes by NOT fighting terrorists OR 2,793 deaths in 5 years by fighting terrorists?
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There is a death tool and a big one but who's death are we referring to in this case? the death of US soldiers or the death toll of Iraq population? Quote:
President Bush is not a follower of Islam but he is a follower of the Christian GOD and it's not only Muslims that takes the holy book seriously. I could come up with nasty bible quotes that calls for the killing of those who do not believe in GOD and so on but it is futile to do so now. Muslims can't stop fighting amongst themselves? Try christianity with Catholics and Protestants! Both are from the same religion and both are willing to go extermes because their religion have slight differences. To my knowledge, this hatrid is still very much alive in Ireland and has been throughout history. England slaughters of catholics who did not convert when it separated from the catholic church. The slaughter of protestant in paris on the St-Barthelemy night, I can go on. The muslims fight amongst themselves for the same reason the cath and protestant, because of minor differences, a shism that happened and separated islam followers in 2 groups, sunnis and chiites. Long read but I suggest it highly to better understand the many religions of Islam... Quote:
By reading this, I learnt a lot tonight about Islam, it's the same as christianity or no better, both advocate violence in their books and both are disfunctionnal. Both started from one single root, one was Jesus, the other one Mohammet and both found a way to fuck up and devide and split again. Those hostilities that are going about for a long time as you mentionned have the same stench as the tension that christianity still suffer to this day because of the so many branches/aspect of it. They all Follow christ teaching but in some weird way, they found a way to make it to their own liking as if the true message wasn't enough. Islam is no different than christianity and if you want to go on a quote war, I will comply. Quote:
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I found those on the first google page. Civil war or secterian violence, still a war about ideology. I cannot blame Prez Bush for the violence over Iraq and it would be foolish to do so but I cannot help feeling scared when your leader says that his action are dictated by GOD... Quote:
The Iraqie death toll is much higher than the soldiers who lost their lives or the one who perished on 9/11 combined together. So, Is an Iraqie's life is worth less than an american one? I'd like an answer on that one. Oh, the true quote BTW was, either you are with us or you are with the terrorists. I really appriciated being labeled a terrorrists that day, really gave me a warm fuzzy feeling for the guy |
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Do you see any moral difference between Americans and Iraqis?
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Beside for trying to put words I never said in my mouth Mazer, answer the question, it all comes down to that right? Is the life of an Iraqie citizen worth less than the one of a US citizen? Yes, the US soldiers death toll is saddening, so is the Toll of dead Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan but all combined together, they don't even reach 10% of what the Iraqian population suffered ever since the administration decided to "Liberate them" Franklin had it right when he said those wise words, maybe he forsaw some future glimpse of what was to come. Quote:
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