Seeking a p2p program to run exclusively on a LAN

[larytet]

Originally Posted by miss_silver

default port

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Good luck klowne

If you ever run into any problems, try this thread for waste setup to get you started... http://www.p2p-zone.com/underground/...ad.php?t=19077

Default port in WASTE does not help lot, because you need still somebodys' IP address to connect to the network and usually this is permanent IP of running 24/7 host.

because network is essentially small isoltaed groups you will have to find and join group with content you are looking for and this is not an easy task. Rodi network is fully searchable. Your ability to search the network is only limited by upstream you have (see my previous post).

Performance of the WASTE network degrades quickly when you add hosts. My wild uneducated guess that for LAN 100 hosts is probably all you can do.

Not to say that WASTE is useless. If you are a group of dissidents who want to talk with each other and dsitribute doc or pdf file once in a while WASTE is fine.

[td4guy]

Personally, I found Rodi very confusing. But perhaps I'm just dumb.

I set up a WASTE network at my university, with currently 150-200 members. It works very, very well. WASTE will remember everyone's IP address, and it will automatically attempt to establish connections to them if configured properly. I estimate that WASTE can support up to 250 people before experiencing significant performance degradation on a LAN.

Slightly more preferable though would be if I didnt need to specify the IPs so that the word could spread about the program and people easily set it up.

You're just asking for trouble there. The good thing about a WASTE network is that only trusted members may join. This does not include people from the RIAA, MPAA, and your university network people. This is a good thing.

As for ease of setup, this can be accomplished by writing and distributing a tutorial like I did. It contains easy-to-follow steps on how to configure WASTE properly. If you need help with this, I would be glad to assist.

Oh, and one more thing... We use port 3688, because it looks somewhat like we're using iTunes, which operates on port 3689. It's just a little trick to help keep the university network people off of our backs.

[larytet]

Originally Posted by td4guy

Personally, I found Rodi very confusing.

what was the major obstacle ? at what point you gave up ?

Originally Posted by td4guy

The good thing about a WASTE network is that only trusted members may join. This does not include people from the RIAA, MPAA, and your university network people. This is a good thing.

Rodi suppots military grade signatures to authenticate the packets if you want to run private hub/closed group of friends.

In Rodi peer can also spoof IP source address. In Rodi seed can control how many bouncers and what exactly bouncers are used to proxy the traffic.

trick with port number is not going to work. my understanding is that iTunes and WASTE both have well known and easily regonizable packet signatures. IP sniffer on the edge of the network will show IP's of all particpating hosts.

[Malk-a-mite]

Originally Posted by larytet

my understanding is that iTunes and WASTE both have well known and easily regonizable packet signatures. IP sniffer on the edge of the network will show IP's of all particpating hosts.

Yes WASTE has a very distinct signature.
But since the actual data is encrypted all you really get is.
NetAdmin_1 - "Look it's WASTE!"
NetAdmin_2 - "What are the transfering?"
NetAdmin_1 - "...ummm..... files?"

[larytet]

Originally Posted by Malk-a-mite

Yes WASTE has a very distinct signature.
But since the actual data is encrypted all you really get is.
NetAdmin_1 - "Look it's WASTE!"
NetAdmin_2 - "What are the transfering?"
NetAdmin_1 - "...ummm..... files?"

right. encrypted payload does not help if ISP implements traffic shaper and starts to drop the packets. generally you can not complain that your ISP drops packets of WASTE, because they can ask in turn what do you send in these packets that you reach 60GB/month traffic.

another problem with WASTE, that it gives you illusion that you are protected and this is not the case. in reality you are not signifcantly more protected than in case of DC hub with limited access. If one peer in the group is compromised the whole group (or cell if you wish) is exposed - IP addresses of all participating peers can eventually be collected.

i am not trying to tell that WASTE is bad. it has it's applications.

in my opinion WASTE for LAN is overkill. besides in LAN any node can spoof IP source. what do you need routing stuff for if you can effectivelty hide your IP address.


I understand that WASTE has only Windows based implementation, am i right ?

WASTE as a network does not exist. WASTE is divided by small groups. this is in the same time strength and weak point. The whole network is not searchable and content available is limited by files stored on the peers belonging to the group.
New content can enter the group only from outside. It means exposure of at least one peer belonging to the group.

still i am ready to accept idea that WASTE is the best application ever created. i have no problem with that. you like WASTE, you feel save when you use it ? go ahead.

i would suggest to close the discussion related to WASTE at this point. it's getting too long and is completely out of this topic issue.

[JackSpratts]

Originally Posted by larytet

i would suggest to close the discussion related to WASTE at this point. it's getting too long and is completely out of this topic issue.

not only is "waste as lan" directly on topic it's also a very good suggestion. resource use is low, speeds are fairly high and security is more than adequate for an open, trusted environment. your criticism is noted but the thread will remain open for further mature explorations of waste, groove or any other client applicable in a lan environment, including rodi.

welcome to the forums larytet.

- js.

[klowne]

In trying Waste I found the speeds to be very slow. Whilst I only tested it once and so might have suffered poor network conditions I couldn't transfer over 200kB/s on a 10Mb lan whereas mytunes usually gets about 900kB/s. I blamed this on the encryption which whilst probably being useful over the internet was complete overkill for my application. I do not think the authorities here care so long as the university's internet connection is not destroyed or too expensive and they're not liable for condoning stuff, etc.

I'm in the process of testing Rodi at the moment and will let you know how that goes.

[larytet]

Originally Posted by td4guy

The good thing about a WASTE network is that only trusted members may join. This does not include people from the RIAA, MPAA, and your university network people. This is a good thing.

you can create hub with restricted access using Rodi. Ask your friends to send you their public keys (or post public keys on any HTTP/FTP server), add keys to the list of the trusted peers, configure your client to accept request only from trusted peers.

see more on privacy in the Rodi network here
http://larytet.sourceforge.net/userM...doesitbesecure

[larytet]

2 single CPU PCs - seed and leacher, ~200MB file
downloader runs at 18Mbits/s, CPU at ~20% (including Real Altrenative Media Player runnign in the background)

http://larytet.sourceforge.net/image...k_300Mdata.PNG

[larytet]

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