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28-07-06, 04:33 PM | #21 |
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If the military has learned anything from Iraq (and it is patently ridiculous to say nothing has been learned), it's how to get involved with the local people, earn their trust, and use them as informants to flush out insurgents. This is a skill very few of our soldiers had four years ago, but after three years in Iraq the troops are getting real good at gathering and applying intelligence. The field commanders are learning a lot too, and if anybody can predict what's going to happen and what needs to be done in Iran, it's definitly them. Knowing what they know, they'll be making the case to their superiors and to the president that military action in Iran would be a serious mistake, ten-fold worse than the mistake you think the Iraq war has been.
If indeed the president does make threats of bombing or invasion, he's just doing it to make the Iranian government sweat. Not surprisingly the people here at home who think Bush is a mindless warmonger believe those threats just as much as the Iranians disbelieve them. If change is to sweep the middle east, that sweep should occur in a north-westerly direction, through Syria. The conflict in Lebanon and Israel would come to a quick end if Syria's borders were closed to Iran. Both Hezbollah and many of the insurgents in Iraq would have their supply lines to Iran severed. |
28-07-06, 05:10 PM | #22 | |
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What has been learned? No WMDs. No ties to 9 / 11. No ties to Bin Laden. No cakewalks. No Flowers. No slam dunks. No Iraqi oil money to pay for the mess. And foremost, absolutely no justification for going to war with Iraq, yet here we are in a ever growing mess. Hell, this military is so damned ignorant, they can't even do a coverup and get it right. Incompetence at the top and the trickle down theory. As for as how it's going in Iraq: Same way things were going in Nam in '68. Politicians with no military experience making "decisions" on how the war is prosecuted and looking for some one or something to blame other than themselves when all their "decisions" prove to be disasterously wrong. Why is Rumsfeld still the Sec Def? |
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28-07-06, 06:37 PM | #23 | |
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Today there are still 5 bank left that are not in control of the central banks or the Rothschild banks. Iran, Cuba, North Korea, Libya and Sudan. There used to be 7 of them, the ones that fell were Afghanistan and Iraq. Why would Iran being treated differently? Chronology 9/11 happened, mighty good excuse to ram into Afghanistan and take over their banking system. What is today's results? Women are still in fear of their lives and still wearing those damned worse than burkah's dress. No infrastructure has been built yet and it's still civil war there. Through their best efforts in trying to link Al-Q. to Iraq has miserably failed. No WMD's, no biological weapon recovered there yet the occupation still goes on and the media are very afraid, compared to here, to call it now another civil war with no better conditions for Iraq's citizen or rebuilding their infrastructures. Now, Iran, the big badass wolf with allegations that they are building nukes, hiding Iraq's WMD's and with ties to Hezbollah, maybe they do but it's only a matter of time before those persians get invaded. Each country so far that has tried to kicked the US dollar off their market has been demonised such as Cuba and recently Venesuela. Maybe it is unknown to some of you but when I was visiting Venesuela back in early 1994, they were under US dollar embargo, if we would have known that, we would have purchased american dollars to change it there since they gave us twice as much bolivars as they did canadian money. Why does the international community does not help Sudan in this time of crisis? I do believe it's because their bank is not yet part of the international banking crap so no one have any interests to help them. The only reason why the USA wants to get Canada and Mexico into that alliance is because they want to be able to compete with the Euro standard. Brown Nose Harper will surely bow down to that creep but most canadians won't, maybe Alberta will tho RDixon, you are right, Iran will be invaded, not because of their weapons, not because of their oil but only to secure the hegemony of the US dollar. Follow the money trail... |
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28-07-06, 07:27 PM | #24 | |
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And why is Rumsfeld still the secretary of defense? Because he is a civilian commander, and he works for a civilian commander in chief. This is, after all, how the framers of the Constitution wanted it to be. Rumsfeld also happens to be particularly good at keeping the ambitions of careerists colonels and generals from mucking things up. |
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28-07-06, 07:54 PM | #25 | |
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Not the first time he's been the secretary of defence, he was back in 1975 under President Ford. |
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28-07-06, 08:28 PM | #26 |
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Get back on your meds missy.
It's not even amusing now. |
28-07-06, 09:51 PM | #27 | |
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First it's you are drunk?, seconds it's get off those drugs (bong sucking monkey?) and now it's get on meds? Make up yer mind you shell of a tortoise! Funny, no it ain't, especially with what is happening right now but it all comes down to PNAC doesn't it? Without the support of Canada or Mexico, the ugly truth is that the United States doesn't have the capital$$$ to wage that war. As for those banks, it is now recorded history, after the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, they were assimilated into that world bank trip and Iran is next. Atleast under the Taliban, the Poppy fields were destroyed while now with that new gov in place, Heroin trade is thriving. What is wrong with that picture So far, Israel is only driving your country into an ugly war which most american and canadian citizens wouldn't even want to touch with a 60 foot pole but because of the aid your country provide to that state, you are tied to that conflict and it is happening. It's only a matter of time before Iran jump in the whole mess and when that hapens, I can only pray that that Brown nose Harper will be out of Pretzels by that time. |
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28-07-06, 10:12 PM | #28 | |
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Being at war with terrorism means we're already at war with the government of Iran, and they've been at war with us for much longer. But it's a cold war, and as we did with the Soviet Union, we can win the war without droping a single bomb. Don't assume that just because we're enemies that we wish death upon each other. We're not interested in engaging in combat, but we must still prepare for it. Like the old saying says, hope for the best but prepare for the worst. |
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28-07-06, 10:26 PM | #29 | |
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I am merely pointing out the people who seem hell bent on doing that no matter the cost. My personal belief is that Bush knows that invading Iran without a formal declaration of war from Congress would be a dangerous act. It is also my belief that if they start another illegal war, there will be turmoil in this country the likes of which have not been seen here since 1770. |
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28-07-06, 10:44 PM | #30 | |
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I've read that a lot of this ill sentiment among the military brass has a lot to do with Rumsfeld. The military leaders want to run this war like every other war we've been involved in, i.e. throw all your manpower and firepower at the problem until it goes away. The secretary of defense understands, as the president does, that an oppressive dictatorship-styled occupation will loose this war for us. To limit casualities on both sides they're simply limiting troop numbers. They want the troops on the ground to interface with the people of Iraq, teach them how to defend themselves, use them to gather intelligence directly, and restrain themselves from causing collateral damage. As a result conventional tactis have gone right out the window, and the administration is basically forcing the military to learn new things to adapt to this situation. Needless to say a lot of West Point graduates are wondering why they bothered to go to school to learn a bunch of now useless strategies. Quote:
Anyway, this war will be won mostly with brains rather than brawn. Everybody who has been demanding that the troops be brought home will soon get their wish. The brass will likely complain in private that troop levels in Iraq are being scaled back too quickly, while the anti-war camp here at home will publicly complain that they're not being scaled back fast enough. You can't fault the military for wanting to finish the job, for wanting to keep as many troops in place as they can so they can do what they were brought there to do. But the hammer isn't the only tool available to us. Before too long our mission in Iraq will be a diplomatic/humanitarian one because, simply put, using the military to solve all our problems weakens our moral authority. We can't do that and win the war at the same time. Last edited by Mazer : 29-07-06 at 09:24 AM. |
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and as far as Bush and the Constution goes, he gets credit for doing more damage to that document than any president in memory. case in point, from the American Bar Association's report on signing statements: Quote:
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we know there were some, because Rummy helped sell it to Saddam. or maybe when the UN troops move in they will find them other than that, let them eat cakewalk |
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01-11-06, 09:00 AM | #36 |
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Saddam Hussein donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to a Detroit church and received a key to the city more than two decades ago, soon after he became president of Iraq. The events contrast sharply with the attack Saddam's regime is now facing from a U.S.-led coalition, reflecting his changed relationship with the United States since Washington helped Saddam covertly in his 1980-88 war with Iran. Saddam's bond with Detroit started in 1979, when the Rev. Jacob Yasso of Chaldean Sacred Heart congratulated Saddam on his presidency. In return, Yasso said, his church received $250,000. "He was very kind person, very generous, very cooperative with the West. Lately, what's happened, I don't know," Yasso, 70, said Wednesday. "Money and power changed the person." Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick did not immediately return a phone message seeking comment. Yasso said that at the time, Saddam made donations to Chaldean churches around the world. "He's very kind to Christians," Yasso said. Chaldeans are a Catholic group in predominantly Muslim Iraq. Among prominent Chaldeans is Iraq's deputy prime minister, Tariq Aziz. A year later, Yasso traveled with about two dozen people to Baghdad as a guest of the Iraqi government, and they were invited to Saddam's palace. "We were received on the red carpet," Yasso said. Yasso said he presented Saddam with the key to the city, courtesy of then-Mayor Coleman Young. Then, Yasso said, he got a surprise. "He said, `I heard there was a debt on your church. How much is it?"' Yasso said. Saddam donated another $200,000. In the 1980s, Iraq and the United States were allied in their mistrust of Iran, which held hundreds of Americans hostage under the regime of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini. Yasso called Saddam an American puppet. "The job the United States trusted to him is done; now he's no good," he said. There are tens of thousands of Chaldeans among the roughly 300,000 Americans of Middle Eastern descent in the Detroit area. About 1,200 families attend Sacred Heart, said Yasso, who came to the United States in 1964. Some church members disagreed that Saddam was once kind. "When he became president, I leave everything and run away," said Nadhim Franco, 66. "I came here. I was dishwasher. I came here, I was happy." http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in546287.shtml |
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