Secret network of CIA prisons

[TankGirl]

It seems now clear that the CIA has a secret network of prisons as reported by L.A. Times, Fox News and Washington Times among others.

Washington Times:

Guantanamo, however, is not the worst problem. As The Post's Dana Priest reported yesterday, the CIA maintains its own network of secret prisons, into which 100 or more terrorist suspects have "disappeared" as if they were victims of a Third World dictatorship. Some of the 30 most important prisoners are being held in secret facilities in Eastern European countries -- which should shame democratic governments that only recently dismantled Soviet-era secret police apparatuses. Held in dark underground cells, the prisoners have no legal rights, no visitors from outside the CIA and no checks on their treatment, even by the International Red Cross. President Bush has authorized interrogators to subject these men to "cruel, inhuman and degrading" treatment that is illegal in the United States and that is banned by a treaty ratified by the Senate. The governments that allow the CIA prisons on their territory violate this international law, if not their own laws.

So not only is US using old commie methods for handling the 'enemies of state' - they are even using old commie facilities for that, utilizing their ready-built torture rooms and having it even easier to skip inconveniences like the Geneva Convention. What a model democracy for the world indeed.

[albed]

Well they're not exactly secret now are they?

[tambourine-man]

A fate worse than death.

[theknife]

Originally Posted by TankGirl

It seems now clear that the CIA has a secret network of prisons as reported by L.A. Times, Fox News and Washington Times among others.


So not only is US using old commie methods for handling the 'enemies of state' - they are even using old commie facilities for that, utilizing their ready-built torture rooms and having it even easier to skip inconveniences like the Geneva Convention. What a model democracy for the world indeed.

the distinction between us and the regime of Saddam Hussein continues to fade to gray: add this story to the documented use of torture in Iraq and Afghistan, as well as this week's revelations that we used chemical weapons in Fallujah. we have ceded whatever moral high ground we once thought we occupied.

[albed]

Lol, don't you liberal liars ever get tired of recycling that old chemical weapons crap?


The torture propaganda has been pretty well done to death as well. Think of a new one already -oops- no original thinking allowed in the propaganda parrot cages. I forgot.

[theknife]

Originally Posted by albed

Lol, don't you liberal liars ever get tired of recycling that old chemical weapons crap?

don't you mean the liberal liars in the US Army who published the report linked above?

[albed]

Well knife, just publishing a magazine isn't considered lying by rational people. The people who make statements are. And I skimmed through that .pdf and couldn't find any statement referring to chemical weapons. So the statement is yours and whoever trained you to squawk it. You wouldn't be liberals would you? Or liars?

[theknife]

Originally Posted by albed

Well knife, just publishing a magazine isn't considered lying by rational people. The people who make statements are. And I skimmed through that .pdf and couldn't find any statement referring to chemical weapons. So the statement is yours and whoever trained you to squawk it. You wouldn't be liberals would you? Or liars?

A March '05 publication by the US Army confirms that US soldiers used white phosphorus offensively in the Battle of Fallujah. This directly contradicts statements made by the U.S. Department of Defense and by the US State Department.

The new discovery also backs up the allegations made in an Italian documentary screened this week concerning the use of white phosphorous in Fallujah. (See… http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0511/S00143.htm )

The broadcast shows video of a U.S. helicopter repeatedly raining down a bombardment of white phosphorus across Fallujah at night. The U.S. State Department had previously released a statement categorically denying all use of white phosphorus during the battle of Fallujah except for illumination purposes. This confirms several firsthand reports from news sources at the time of the invasion.

In the video, Jeff Englehart, a Marine who served in Fallujah and who maintains a weblog at http://www.ftssoldier.blogspot.com , claims that there was widespread, indicriminate use of white phosphorus in last year's attack on Fallujah.

The white phosphorus hits and disperses into an indiscriminately lethal cloud with a kill zone approximately a quarter of a mile wide -- over a tenth of a mile in all directions. Although white phosphorus often has no effect on clothes, when it makes contact with a person's skin, it will burn it down to the bone. If the gas is inhaled, it will blister the throat and lungs, causing rapid suffocation, burning the body from the inside.

Englehart heard officers approve requests for use of white phosphorus on a wide scale throughout the assault.

"It comes across the radio as a general transmission... we have speakers in our trucks. 'We're going to drop some Willy Pete.' 'Roger. Commence bombing'"

"We were told going into Fallujah that every single person going into the combat area that was walking, talking, breathing was an enemy combatant. . . It seemed like just a massive killing of Arabs. It looked like just a massive killing. . . Burned bodies. Burned children. Burned women. White phosphorus kills indiscriminately."

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0511/S00173.htm

[albed]

Love how you lying loonies always look to one another for support. But it's good you're generally too ignorant or mentally deranged to realize how obvious your lies are to stable people with basic educations.

Although white phosphorus often has no effect on clothes, when it makes contact with a person's skin, it will burn it down to the bone.

A little less stupid than the claims it "melts" flesh, but still ridiculous. No doubt the multitude of horror movies using wax dummies and stop-motion-capture while they're melted influences the nut cases in spinning these tales.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_p...rus_incendiary

Weight-for-weight, phosphorus is the most effective smoke-screening agent known

The dilute phosphoric acid in the aerosol cloud may be mildly irritating to the eyes but with normal field concentrations and exposure it is not harmful; extended exposure can lead to damage of lungs and throat.

The claims about white phosphorous as a cause of deaths in which the bodies are burned but the clothes are not, however, is contrary to the description in a standard reference work

You liberals are just too wacky to make your propaganda believable, except for other unbalanced and uneducated people like yourselves who believe what they want instead of the truth.

[theknife]

ah, at least we finally agree: the Army used chemical weapons offensively, which is why they denied it. boy, it takes some pounding but you do come around in the end.

[albed]

Originally Posted by theknife

don't you mean the liberal liars in the US Army who published the report linked above?

Originally Posted by theknife

the Army used chemical weapons offensively, which is why they denied it.

So first they report it and then they deny it; according to you. You've provided a link to the reporting of the use of Phosphorus, but you forgot one where they deny it. Or are the denials of the use of chemical weapons being liberally reinterpreted to mean smoke bombs?

[floydian slip]

for those who want proof... watch the video

http://www.rainews24.rai.it/ran24/in...llujah_ING.wmv

[daddydirt]

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...nitions/wp.htm

White phosphorus is not banned by any treaty to which the United States is a signatory. Smokes and obscurants comprise a category of materials that are not used militarily as direct chemical agents. The United States retains its ability to employ incendiaries to hold high-priority military targets at risk in a manner consistent with the principle of proportionality that governs the use of all weapons under existing law. The use of white phosphorus or fuel air explosives are not prohibited or restricted by Protocol II of the Certain Conventional Weapons Convention (CCWC), the Convention on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Certain Conventional Weapons which may be Deemed to be Excessively Injurious or to have Indiscriminate Effects.