Two say they found 9/11 'black boxes'

[malvachat]

More and more things keep comming out.
"Conspiracys"?


2 say they found 9/11 'black boxes'
Philadelphia Inquirer | October 28, 2004
By WILLIAM BUNCH

Two men who worked extensively in the wreckage of the World Trade Center claim they helped federal agents find three of the four "black boxes" from the jetliners that struck the towers on 9/11 - contradicting the official account.

Both the independent 9/11 Commission and federal authorities insist that none of the four devices - a cockpit voice recorder (CVR) and flight data recorder (FDR) from the two planes - was ever found.

But New York City Firefighter Nicholas DeMasi has written in a book self-published by Ground Zero workers that he took federal agents on an all-terrain vehicle in October 2001 and located three of the four. His account is backed by a well-known Ground Zero volunteer.

Their story raises the question of a cover-up at Ground Zero - although's it's not clear why the government would want to keep the discovery under wraps.

A footnote to this summer's 9/11 Commission Report states: "The CVRs and FDRs from American 11 and United 175" - the two planes that hit the Trade Center - "were not found."

FBI spokesman Jim Margolin and Frank Gribbon of the FDNY said this week they are certain the devices weren't recovered.

The "black boxes" - actually orange - could have provided valuable information about how the 9/11 attacks were pulled off.

The cockpit voice recorder, which captures the last 30 minutes of a doomed flight on a tape loop, would have captured the hijackers' voices and any radio transmissions. The flight data recorder records key data such as airspeed, heading and altitude.

They are built to survive an impact of 3,400 Gs and a fire of 1,100 degrees Celsius for one hour, somewhat higher than estimates of the World Trade Center blaze.

"I can't recall another domestic case in which we did not recover the recorders," Ted Lopatkiewicz, spokesman for the National Transportation Safety Board, told CBS News in 2002. However, officials said little of the jets was recovered.

DeMasi, with now-defunct Engine Company 261, told his story in a 2003 book published by a group that calls itself Trauma Recovery Assistance for Children. He said he donated 4 ATVs to the cleanup and became known as "the ATV Guy."

"At one point, I was asked to take federal agents around the site to search for the black boxes from the planes...," he wrote. "We loaded up about a million dollars worth of equipment and strapped it into the ATV...

"There were a total of four black boxes. We found three."

Efforts to locate and interview DeMasi, now said to be with the FDNY's Marine Unit, were not successful.

But his account was verified by another member of the TRAC Team, recovery site volunteer Mike Bellone. He said he didn't go out with FBI agents on the ATV but observed their search.

At one point, Bellone said he observed them with a red-orange, charred device with two white stripes. Pictures on the NTSB Web site show the devices are orange with two white stripes.

"There was the one that I saw, and two others were recovered in different locations - but I wasn't there for the other two," Bellone said. He said the FBI agents left with the boxes.

Bellone has been criticized for his handling of TRAC finances and for wearing an official uniform when he's only an honorary fireman - but those allegations came after DeMasi's account.

http://infowars.com/print/Sept11/blackboxes_found.htm

[RoBoBoy]

One would have to be blind or retarted to not consider our top politicians don't know what happened and have gone to great lengths to hide the truth from the rest of the world.

I read awhile back, an article about the debris removal. The drivers hired to remove it had to obtain a security clearance, then were escorted to the landfill in N.Jersey. The iron and steel had a huge salvage value yet the feds refused to allow anyone to even look at it.

Call me what you want but I'm a believer that the Bush admin knew about what was going to happen & or were directly involved.

As the news clip said, when have we never found the boxes?

[Nicobie]

[quote=RoBoBoy]

Call me what you want but I'm a believer that the Bush admin knew about what was going to happen & or were directly involved.

QUOTE]

I'll call u "out of u're fooken mind"'.

Why would Bush want to do that?

I'm really trying not to be too insulting, but maybe u should cut down on the sugers.....

[malvachat]

[quote=Nicobie]

Originally Posted by RoBoBoy

Call me what you want but I'm a believer that the Bush admin knew about what was going to happen & or were directly involved.

QUOTE]

I'll call u "out of u're fooken mind"'.

Why would Bush want to do that?

I'm really trying not to be too insulting, but maybe u should cut down on the sugers.....

Are you sure Nic?

"Why would Bush want to do that"?

And you don't know?
You have not been paying attention in class again have you?
Go straight to Vegas and do collect £200.

[Mazer]

Come on malva, not even the vilest black-hearted politician considers the murder of 3,000+ Americans a good thing. Some will use such a tragedy to their advantage, but if I believed for one second that a public leader was capable of such evil then I'd leave the U.S. and never look back.

[ab-NORM-al]

i do believe it's possible, but is there somewhere to go when you leave!?

politicians and religious leaders take the 'evil' cake....the world over.....above drug dealers IMHO

i can't imagine spending that many hours a day doing what they do

screw dat

black boxes!? there's a lot of shit i'd rather not know, lest my fears be confirmed

[RoBoBoy]

Originally Posted by Mazer

not even the vilest black-hearted politician considers the murder of 3,000+

Didn't Sadam Hussein do just that. 3000 lives for a maniac with ambitions to rule the world isn't such a huge cost.

How many other gov's have commited much worse atrocities, genecide, to further their political causes?

[malvachat]

Originally Posted by Mazer

Come on malva, not even the vilest black-hearted politician considers the murder of 3,000+ Americans a good thing. Some will use such a tragedy to their advantage, but if I believed for one second that a public leader was capable of such evil then I'd leave the U.S. and never look back.

I just don't know.That's the point.
I keep coming across things.
There are so many unanswered questions.
Why are they not being asked?
A lot of this stuff is public record
Please don't say governments don't do this sort of thing.
They do.
Look it up yourself.
There is lots of facts,about what the US has done to destabilise countries.
Please have a read of some of this stuff.
Keep an open mind.
Then decide.
Like you I don't want to believe it.
I just don't know.

http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911/Eastman/m18h05.html

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html

http://911research.wtc7.net/contents.html

http://infowars.com/index.html

[Sinner]

Originally Posted by malvachat

Are you sure Nic?

"Why would Bush want to do that"?

And you don't know?
You have not been paying attention in class again have you?
Go straight to Vegas and do collect £200.

If the American Government knew or planned 9/11 it would have to been done under the Clinton Admin's watch and not Bush's. The Terrorist were trained with the Democrats in Power. You know the 8 years before Bush took power. Guess them Dems thought Al Gore was going to win the election. Boy they really fucked up didn't they.


I still believe 9/11 was a Mossad Operation.

Which country gained the most from 9/11. It sure was not the USA.

[malvachat]

Originally Posted by Sinner

If the American Government knew or planned 9/11 it would have to been done under the Clinton Admin's watch and not Bush's. The Terrorist were trained with the Democrats in Power. You know the 8 years before Bush took power. Guess them Dems thought Al Gore was going to win the election. Boy they really fucked up didn't they.


I still believe 9/11 was a Mossad Operation.

Which country gained the most from 9/11. It sure was not the USA.

Just read up before you make your mind up.

http://infowars.com/index.html

I really don't know what to believe.

[JackSpratts]

Originally Posted by Sinner

If the American Government knew or planned 9/11 it would have to been done under the Clinton Admin's watch and not Bush's. The Terrorist were trained with the Democrats in Power. You know the 8 years before Bush took power. Guess them Dems thought Al Gore was going to win the election. Boy they really fucked up didn't they.

that's a major leap in logic with no evidence to back it up. you might as well say say it was republican planned, a shadow government operation begun the moment bush 1 lost the white house and saved for their "eventual return" to power. all done to create and insure a constant diet of fear and uncertainty once back in office - leading to perpeptual republican rule. since the neocons in power now are on record going back years supporting invasions as statecraft, there's more going for this supposition than laying it on democrats who weren't in favor of wars to begin with. guess the republicans thought americans would swallow it whole. boy they really fucked up didn't they?

- js.

[miss_silver]

Originally Posted by Sinner

If the American Government knew or planned 9/11 it would have to been done under the Clinton Admin's watch and not Bush's. The Terrorist were trained with the Democrats in Power. You know the 8 years before Bush took power. Guess them Dems thought Al Gore was going to win the election. Boy they really fucked up didn't they.


I still believe 9/11 was a Mossad Operation.

Which country gained the most from 9/11. It sure was not the USA.

They royally fucked it up! Either it was the neocons or the the Clinton agenda, they did fuck it up. Too many questions, too few answers.

And no, USA didn't gain squat from it except the PATRIOT ACT and the doom day's bill and a possible army draft...

Maybe it was in conjunction with the Mossad, It was recorded officially that 5 jewish persons were arrested because some ppl in the Sears building saw them dancing and rejoycing while talking pictures of the crumbling twin towers (WTF but true). Those 5 were arrested but released some 60 days later, maybe before, because they were confirmed Mossad agents.

As for being planned under Clinton or Bush, who knows Recently rewatched Alex's Jones Police State 2000, The first one made about police state. Even tho I hate to admit it, Clinton did install the systimatic random, road search block.

So who knows when the truth will come up. We are still waiting to hear from the official report on what killed JFK, been reclassified again, will not know for another 30? years?

Talked with my mom on sunday... She asked me, did you watch the news about the new Osama Bin Ladden recorded message? I replied of course I did, then she replied "I cannot believe it was an authentic recording, it's way too much convinient for the time it was released" aka few days before the big elections. She also said that she truly believed that it was a fake recording. Will not mentionned what she said next.

I personnally believe that Bush and almost it's whole adm knew what was going to happen on 9/11 and covered it up. What better way to invade some middle east countries that Bush Daddy could not do under it's presidency.

I'm also boggleld as to why, we never saw much of Bush wife... maybe they were afraid that she might pass for smarter than her pathetic houseband Strangely enough, I can remember the 3 previous first lady's name except for Bush wife.

Hope Bush will not win tonight!

Light a candle for freedom

Even tho Kerry is from Skulls & Bones as Dubya is

[RoBoBoy]

The idea that the entire attack was an inside job was simply too unthinkable for most Americans to consider

Excerpt from http://911research.wtc7.net/