Advocating Leeching

[spstn]

Tech TV "experts" usually come across as superficial, ignorant dorks, but this advice top the charts: this is an excerpt of an article fittingly named "File-Sharing Tips and TRICKS".

"Upload

Download speeds for broadband connections tend to decrease as your upload speed increases. Although this tip goes against the very nature of file sharing, throttle back the maximum speed at which people can upload from you. Try knocking back the speed at which people can download files from you to 1 or 2 Kbps per second.


Some programs also allow you to limit the number of people who can download files from you. Keep this number to a minimum to help maintain your download speed.


Many programs assign sharing privileges to a folder on your system. Often, this folder is the same folder used as the destination for your downloads. Try creating a new, empty folder as your shared folder. That way, you aren't showing any shared files, and people can't download anything from your computer. It's a selfish thing to do, but if you're trying to download as much as possible, you want as much bandwidth as possible. "

I have ADSL and upload speed DOES NOT affect my download speed.

Furthermore, add this kind of advice to all the people already firewalled & we're left with a crippled filesharing in no time.

I can undestand transitory "spells" of selfishness, but followed by at least equal instances of sensible sharing.

Selfish leeching is the best hope for the RIAA to succeed where the courts failed.

Tech TV is fittingly owned by Paul Allen, Bill Gates' partner, & in a perverse way this article squares nicely with the usual way that MS conducts business.

This is the link to the complete article in case anyone wish NOT to learn nothing new about filesharing.

http://www.techtv.com/screensavers/a...012874,00.html

[BuzzB2K]

That's great advice...

If Everyone were to follow it, they would all get great download speeds...

But from who?

[fblaguy]

lol, there was once a time where I did advise leeching, but that was during the napster banning days.

As of now, I share every MP3 I have so there is plenty for people to download from me, and they do download an awful lot from me too.

[Snarkridden]

Mann, I don't approve of the use of double negatives, but your

This is the link to the complete article in case anyone wish NOT to learn nothing new about filesharing.

Is about the best I saw in ages....

I do wonder what motivated these people to write such inaccurate advice, thanks for the link, it was a good laugh, even though I felt like crying?

Snark..

[butterfly_kisses]

>> I have ADSL and upload speed DOES NOT affect my download speed.

sorry but i'm not a complete moron

even I know that with Cable and ADSL your download speed is not affected by your upload speed....whoemever wrote the article (original article) for TechTv was a complete and utter moron..

besides that i've found ways to actually increase your download/uploads speeds (for dialup users only) using the KazAA file sharing 'service'

Pm me for details

Here is a screenshot and yes upload/downloads is related on 56k dial-up only connections.

screenshot:



cant' see the pic? click here

[daddydirt]

does that mean ur sharing 8 files Harb ?

[Dawn]

I have cable, and the upload speed definitely affects my download speed. If anyone cares.

[JackSpratts]

Originally posted by Dawn
I have cable, and the upload speed definitely affects my download speed.

it sure does, and with adsl and most cable systems the u/l speed is not that much to begin with. if you max it out then your download speed will effectively drop to zero rendering you incapable of using the internet and it will often drop the connection as well. upload limiters are absolutely necessary. as a general rule you have to keep 30% free with asymmetric bandwidth. i set winmx to 9000, grokster to 64. if i set grokster to 128, my downloads grind to a halt. i still UPLOAD 100 files a day even with the limiters on, so tech tv is misinformed.

- js.

[schmooky007]

>>>' Tech TV is fittingly owned by Paul Allen, Bill Gates' partner, & in a perverse way this article squares nicely with the usual way that MS conducts business. '<<<

yepppppp.. its a big problem unfortunately, the way microsoft is tied so closely to techtv. another thing which is quite apparent is the way they promote (on a regular basis) internet explorer + outlook express as being the best browser/email tool... lol

[ssj4_android]

I remember how they used to promote linux all the time on the screensavers. They also promoted BeOS a little bit. Now, do they even mention linux? It was much better when it was zdtv. And yeah, uploading too much certainly does effect your download speed. I usually limit winmx to around 25000. In the older version that is.

[spstn]

Promising header, eh? but for now just a teaser...

Snark..:

Of course you noticed. You're a Brit, thus English (a.k.a.:Anglisc, Anglish, Old English, Englisc, Ingland & Inglish) is your mother tongue. I had originally written "anything" then I decided to change to "nothing", which with the NOT in front gives the sentence a decidely southern character, floating freely between idio(t)-syncratic & oss(x)y-moronic.
Here we call it "literary license", also used to kill English grammar writting songs, books & getting a hefty bank account in the process.
So get in line, pal: English is my third "second" language, after French & Italian, not counting the bloody bollocks Latin & Esperanto. Lol...

Harb...:

Don't sell yourself short: Of course you're not a complete moron .

So, you're sharing 8 files & behind a firewall; going for broke, eh?. Lol... And you can't show the file names, Ummm...Lol...

Dawn, ssj4_android, Js:

There are several factors to consider besides any possible interaction between up-download.

1) - Real (85-90% target) versus Nominal throughput
2) - Tcp-ip configuration
3) - A bug in some versions of windows that resend packets almost doubling upload times.

After installing ADSL I applied a patch that increased real throughput by almost 400 %.

Cable throughput varies depending on how many people share a node at the same time & the time of day.

The most common problem with ADSL-SDSL is the bottleneck that usually occurs at DSLAM level, where multiplexers mix-unmix telephone & DSL signals & then re-route them.

Another problem usually overlooked is more than one application accessing the internet at the same time, either by design or unbeknownst to the user.

I was "lost" for about two weeks, but once I made the proper corrections that was it (October 2000).

[butterfly_kisses]

just quickly to combat the theory that i am not a complete and utter moron (i wonder if any grammer advocates will get that one?)

anyways this just goes to show the ridiculousness and lunacy of the argument for 'sharing' versing 'non-sharing'

I've heard this age old (tic tack doe game) ['tic tac toe' meaning its a 'pointless' conversation/game...it can't be won except to 'not play it' in the first place.]

but i must speak none the less

to say this:

the best i've heard so far on the Broadband/narrow-band debacle is this:

I don't care if are on dial-up up at least share something....anything

the downside to this as displayed already by spstn and someone else was it daddydirt? i'm not going back to check as i am already in the middle of composing my post

Anyways what i'm getting across to u is that the 'attitudes' taken even at a 'seeming' compromise are just agreed to on here so as to make yourself seem more thoughtful...meaning if you agree that sharing only one file is 'okay' for a dial-up user but for people on Broadband there is no excuse to be a leech

the above statement,,, quoted once more for those who need it:

sharing only one file is 'okay' for a dial-up user but for people on Broadband there is no excuse to be a leech

is in accurate as you can see in spstn and 'daddydirt's' comments...they still have a problem with this i guess and this is 'my opinion' only it comes from an elitist attitude that because they have 'broadband' they are somehow 'better' than dialup users...not true...but you do have more bandwidth...so you are able to 'suck up more' please do so now...and salvage the feelings of all 56-kers whose feelings you have now hurt and or insulted...i.e. (me and mine)



Now then....so it appears these truths are indisputable

Not only is it not alright for 56-k users to use file-sharing and to only share at least one file as long as they share something.

They must now be sharing something that you approve of or else you will Cancel Their Download

to cock-sucking pricks like this i say Fuck-you there are like 1,900,000 + people on the Fasttrack network...if you have nothing more meaningful to do with your time/life than to sit at your fucking computer behind a proxy-monitor and 'watch' who downloads from you to make sure that they are 'sharing' then i will just go with one of the other hopefull 1,899,999 users who have something else worthwhile to do with their time/lives and just turn their filesharing app on/set it and forget-it.

Like i do... Its easy...just leave it on and running..choose what you want to download//get in the queue and eventually you get what you want while others download from you in return.

But now you are saying that isn't good enough

if i am download Porn from you then i must have some porn that you like or you will cancel my download.

If i am downloading mp3's i must have some songs that you want or you will cancel my download.

If i am download a movie i must have one that interests you in return or you will cancel my download

To these people i say get a fucking life and a clue.

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hello....can you hear it? *Clue Phone* is it ringing yet?

[spstn]

P2P programs should come in two flavors: File-Sharing & File-Leeching

This way good old natured file-sharers would become a thriving minority, and leeches & ET-Leechoids would be left to high-strungly rant & leech amongst themselves.

As an added bonus this heartfelt arraignment woul help keep their numbers in check.

You can't beat good ol' natural selection at work.

[naz]

I've repeating myself here, but in my experience the "problem" of leeching is greatly overestimated on any p2p system I've used.

[Snarkridden]

Hey...

Here we call it "literary license", also used to kill English grammar writting songs, books & getting a hefty bank account in the process.
So get in line, pal: English is my third "second" language, after French & Italian, not counting the bloody bollocks Latin & Esperanto. Lol...

It was a joke, did it not come across that way?

Certainly would have every English teacher, tearing hair..

Even a few French and Italian ones too I guess!

Oh well some you can please, some not...

Snark..