Saddam's Death Sentence Upheld

[Nicobie]

Originally Posted by gazdet

well, here's the lead up to the big drop.. by the thickness of the rope, they were making sure it wasn't going to break

Hi Gaz,

I can't link to it but I'm sure our 'Proud Canadian Quebecer' will be glad to provide us a link and gleefully point it out as another one of America's F-ups.

[gazdet]

No worries Nic, here's another if you're interested.. (pretty crappy camera phone effort, but it shows the whole thing.)

[albed]

Originally Posted by Nicobie

Hi Gaz,

I can't link to it but I'm sure our 'Proud Canadian Quebecer' will be glad to provide us a link and gleefully point it out as another one of America's F-ups.

She's too busy praying, no doubt to allah; french surrender monkey you know.

Originally Posted by miss_silver

I just pray that all hell will not break loose at Mecca tonight between Shi'a and Sunnies over this.

[miss_silver]

Originally Posted by gazdet

No worries Nic, here's another if you're interested.. (pretty crappy camera phone effort, but it shows the whole thing.)

Makes you wonder why it wasn't shot in HDTV quality or hell, IMAX version!

[ONEMANBANNED]

disgusted i am that is was posted on a forum I have been on for 6 years.

discussion is good but the TOS rules still apply .

dont even know how to ened this post

mb another tea

[miss_silver]

Originally Posted by ONEMANBANNED

disgusted i am that is was posted on a forum I have been on for 6 years.

discussion is good but the TOS rules still apply .

dont even know how to ened this post

mb another tea

Direct that toward the thread OP.

[gazdet]

Originally Posted by ONEMANBANNED

discussion is good but the TOS rules still apply .

Our TOS

omb, There are no openly graphic pictures uploaded on our server that you are confronted with when you open this thread.

The links provided do not go to pages containing porn or advertised porn.

The video is topical and can now be found on news channels and all over the internet, it's no secret to most of us.

-gaz

[miss_silver]

The OP just replied

No worse than Nick Berg being posted some 2 years ago...

I hear that most muslims take it as an insult according to al Jazeera... Saddam was hagned on the same day that the christians consider the good friday.

According to this muslim holiday, the march to mecca equals the march abraham undertook in order to kill his son as commended by god. In a lot of ppl eyes, Saddam is already considered a martyr. Some as much as some ppl do still believe that Elvis is still alive, same will go with saddam if it's not already the case.

[ONEMANBANNED]

oh boy i dont remember posting last night.

New Years came a lil early .

My eyes are swollen and my head hurts .



Note to self ....no posts when hammered

[JackSpratts]

since the sole video (so far) shows sadaam only dropping out of camera frame, it isn't going to do much to assuage conspiracy speculation. as the execution video of record it's anything but.

had the iraqis wanted they could have avoided adding to a lot of future speculation by simply recording and releasing the full event. for whatever strange reason known only to them they haven't. perhaps they will and they may have to because as it stands now, no one looking at that video alone can say for certain what really happened.

when even the burial site is suspect (the nyt calls it the "reported" grave of sadaam) the air surrounding this critical moment in middle eastern history is thick with fakery. perhaps that was intentional, to dampen violence from loyalists with hope their ultimate leader still lives. otherwise it's sheer stupidity.

- js.

[Drakonix]

Saddam was hagned on the same day that the christians consider the good friday.

No.

In Western Christianity Good Friday occurs between March 20 and April 23. It is the Friday that preceeds Easter Sunday. Good Friday commemorates the crucifixion of Jesus, God's son sacrificed so that the sins of mortals be absolved.

The exact date of the crucifixion of Jesus is not known and can not be accurately calculated from information in the Scriptures.

In 2006, Good Friday occurred on April 14. In 2007 it will be on April 6.

There is no Western religious significance to the day of Saddam's execution.

There is religious significance to the day for Muslims. It involves the test of Abraham by God.


Added in Edit:

I'll have to agree that the video is far less than expected. One would think that if they wanted to video an execution of that magnitude, they had better means available than they used.

You do see the rope go taught when Saddam drops. We do see in news photos what certainly appears to be a dead Saddam.

They probably are being vague about his grave site in order to prevent it from being disturbed. As we know, lots of Iraqis hated Saddam. I would not describe it as "thick with fakery" unless fakery is shown or proven.

It may have just been haste. They were obviously anxious to carry out the execution, and had faced a number of delays. They may have feared additional delays and/or disruption of the execution by sectarian violence. They also wanted the execution to coincide with a religious holiday. When the opportunity arose, they hastily carried out the execution.

At least the length of fall was apparently calculated properly, according to the witness accounts Saddam was instantly killed.

[JackSpratts]

Originally Posted by ONEMANBANNED

Note to self ....no posts when hammered

but those are the most fun! keep ‘em coming omb.

nappy yoo hear!

- js.

[Drakonix]

The head of Saddam’s Albu-Nassir’s clan said the body showed no signs of mistreatment.

“We received the body of Saddam Hussein without any complications. There was cooperation by the prime minister and his office’s director,” the clan chief, Sheik al-Nidaa, told state-run Al-Iraqiya television. “We opened the coffin of Saddam. He was cleaned and wrapped according to Islamic teachings. We didn’t see any unnatural signs on his body.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11669236/

[Nicobie]

Originally Posted by miss_silver

Makes you wonder why it wasn't shot in HDTV quality or hell, IMAX version!

U would enjoy that?

[multi]

Originally Posted by miss_silver

Makes you wonder why it wasn't shot in HDTV quality or hell, IMAX version!

it was shot in HD

Wearing a rumpled green suit and holding a Sony HDTV video camera in his right hand, Ali recalled the dictator's last moments. "He was saying things about injustice, about resistance, about how these guys are terrorists," he says. On the way to the gallows, according to Ali, "Saddam said, ‘Iraq without me is nothing.’"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16401644/site/newsweek/

[theknife]

Saddam's execution continues to disintigrate into the latest in a seemingly endless series of political and tactical blunders by the US occupation. From Pat Lang:

We have made some colossal errors in Iraq but this is among the worst:

1- We killed a former (?) head of state. The Shia government did it? What a joke! Neocons! Do you imagine that anyone believes this? Maliki would not even go to the execution. No. We will be blamed and rightly so. We provided "advisors" to the trial judges.

2- We made him a figure for legend and he took advantage of it. "God is Great! Long live Iraq! Palestine is Arab." That is what he uttered on the gallows with the rope around his neck. You damned fools! What do you think will be the war cry with which millions of Muslims will confront us and our "regional allies?"

3-The, oh so clever Iranian political warfare machine (and friends) have tried for many years to denigrate the Iraqi army that fought Iran and defeated it. The men who served in that army know how well they fought. For good or ill he was their commander in chief. Do you think that deliberately humiliating him in the manner of his death will serve the cause of reconciliation in Iraq?

4- We allowed his execution in the month of Pilgrimage, just before the Feast of Sacrifice when a holocaust of sacrificed animals will be offered. Could you have given him a better gift?

5-Is it really true that Moqtada al-Sadr's people participated in the execution? Is it true?

6-How like Al Queda's executions this was. How like.

What more could you have given him?

Now he belongs to the ages.

[Mazer]

So it has come to this. People are defending and even applauding Saddam's crimes against humanity, against millions of his own countrymen, because of our own president's poor popularity. People don't get much more petty than this.

[theknife]

Originally Posted by Mazer

People are defending and even applauding Saddam's crimes against humanity, against millions of his own countrymen, because of our own president's poor popularity.

really? where?

[Mazer]

From the Pat Lang link you posted:

But he also was a skillful ruler and a legitimate one, as you pointed out in your briefing to the White House in late 1990 or early 1991. He had an extraordinary insight into his people --knowing when to massacre a section of a tribe or instead, build it a whole new sewage system and a string of free clinics.

[theknife]

i'm not sure where you get the tie-in to Bush's popularity, but at any rate...

Saddam's methods worked in Iraq - our methods do not. both methods get a lot of people killed. in the aggregate, weighing all quality-of-life metrics, Saddam would appear to have been the more successful leader.