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Old 28-11-06, 10:09 AM   #41
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At least Necrodancer takes the time to refute my argument and maybe change my opinion.
These are in response to Necrodancers answer to my questions.

On question 1 I don't believe Bush or anything he says, but I will look into it more.
Why bother? You clearly already have made up your mind, damn the facts man!

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On question 2 I would have to disagree. Are you telling me that they didn't lie?
Faulty intel, from all over the world, was used as justification. People seem to forget that every country on the planet thought Saddam had WMD's.

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On question 3 I have heard of several instances where the "sneak and peek" tactics have been used against regular american citizens. Here is an old, but pertinent article about the subject. http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20030...0549-8745r.htm
Pretty much they can come into your house and take any info without letting anyone know. They can also get info from others concerning you(or I) and if they tell you(or I) that the government is looking up on you(or I) they can be charged and imprisoned. That is the truth. Read the Patriot Act.
So you don't have any proof of it happening, just a hypothetical. got it.

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#4. Look at the FBI screwing with Martin Luther King. Yeah, that was a long time ago, but do you really think they have changed all that much? PETA is on the list of domestic terrorists. That is People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/19/dom...ism/index.html
Wow, King? Nothing like 40 year old examples involving people that are either dead or no longer in the FBI to prove your point. Hey I hear cowboys killed a bunch of Injuns 150 years ago, do you really think Cowboys have changed all that much?

As for PETA, they are known supporters of ELF, the terrorist "activist" group that enjoys blowing up car dealerships, ski resorts and condos. So yeah, they deserve a little scrutiny.

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I agree. But we don't need to rule out the Geneva Convention. We should still treat other humans in a humane way. How we would like our brothers in arms to be treated in a war.
First off, claiming terrorists are "human" is you first mistake. Your second is thinking they won't kill our POW's if we treat their buddies like kings in Gitmo, that's not only insane, it's borderline retarded. They were decapitating our people long before Abu Ghraib came into the news cycle.

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I can see why the Europeans or any others would want to try Bush or his cronies in a court of law. You don't seriously think they added the new Torture immunity because they were worried about Europe do you? I'm sure Bush could live comfortably in Crawford for the rest of his days.
Yeah, that's exactly why.
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Old 28-11-06, 04:43 PM   #42
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things must be a little slow over on the blog these days for necrohegespan, with the implosion of the GOP and the utter disintegration of the Bush presidency. six years of defending clowns must be wearing a little thin by now - he's about the only one left still swinging away for the Prez
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Old 28-11-06, 05:02 PM   #43
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things must be a little slow over on the blog these days for necrohegespan, with the implosion of the GOP and the utter disintegration of the Bush presidency. six years of defending clowns must be wearing a little thin by now - he's about the only one left still swinging away for the Prez
It is nice to see that no matter how long I'm away I can always come back and see you're still as stupid as ever.
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Old 28-11-06, 05:32 PM   #44
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It is nice to see that no matter how long I'm away I can always come back and see you're still as stupid as ever.
Hey, look who came back... My favorite chewtoy

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Hey, look who came back... My favorite chewtoy

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Hey, look who is still here...My favorite ignorant twat
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Hey, look who is still here...My favorite beautiful woman

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Old 28-11-06, 07:17 PM   #47
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Old 28-11-06, 07:35 PM   #48
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Why bother? You clearly already have made up your mind, damn the facts man!
On Bush, yes. The fact is that he is a liar.

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Faulty intel, from all over the world, was used as justification. People seem to forget that every country on the planet thought Saddam had WMD's.
I'm sure you have facts to back that statement up as well. Yeah every country thought Saddam had WMD's. *sarcasm*
If you would do a bit of research you would find that several people in the intelligence community said that alot of the intelligence was faulty before we went to war. What about the Plame case?

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So you don't have any proof of it happening, just a hypothetical. got it.
The fact is that it could happen. Section 213 of the USA Patriot Act. I have seen documentaries with people telling their stories of it happening. Of course the whole purpose of a sneak and peek is to not have it noticed or reported. And if you do say something you could be put in jail.

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Wow, King? Nothing like 40 year old examples involving people that are either dead or no longer in the FBI to prove your point. Hey I hear cowboys killed a bunch of Injuns 150 years ago, do you really think Cowboys have changed all that much?

As for PETA, they are known supporters of ELF, the terrorist "activist" group that enjoys blowing up car dealerships, ski resorts and condos. So yeah, they deserve a little scrutiny.
I was just trying to make a point. How about the East Lansing Animal Rights Movement or By Any Means Necessary (BAMN), a national advocacy group working to defend racial integration and affirmative action in education and the workplace. The point is that our government watches anyone who they think is a threat to themselves and not the nation as a whole. Non-violent people. How about the Pentagon Report about spying on peace activists and veterans?

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First off, claiming terrorists are "human" is you first mistake. Your second is thinking they won't kill our POW's if we treat their buddies like kings in Gitmo, that's not only insane, it's borderline retarded. They were decapitating our people long before Abu Ghraib came into the news cycle.
There you go again thinking you know what I think. I never said I think they won't kill our POW's. But I thought we were supposed to be better than that and a good example to the world. Apparently you think we should act just like them. And I do think terrorists are human also. Maybe misguided and overly militant. Maybe they have less value for human life than I do. But they are still human.

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Yeah, that's exactly why.
Why do you think they added the immunity clause?
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Old 28-11-06, 08:45 PM   #49
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On Bush, yes. The fact is that he is a liar.
Well that's that then.


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I'm sure you have facts to back that statement up as well. Yeah every country thought Saddam had WMD's. *sarcasm*
"Every" might have been a reach, but certainly every country that matters on the world stage. Because I'm too lazy to Google for every single country, I'll just offer Hans Blix's 2003 report to the UN, in which he said Iraq had not complied with resolutions to both destroy their WMD stockpile and document the destruction: http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/Bx27.htm

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If you would do a bit of research you would find that several people in the intelligence community said that alot of the intelligence was faulty before we went to war. What about the Plame case?
Ah Joe Wilson...it seems despite being refuted and debunked by the bipartisan Senate Select Committee On Intelligence people still seem to think he has credibility.



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The fact is that it could happen. Section 213 of the USA Patriot Act. I have seen documentaries with people telling their stories of it happening. Of course the whole purpose of a sneak and peek is to not have it noticed or reported. And if you do say something you could be put in jail.
And I've seen documentaries of people saying they've seen Elvis and space aliens. Anecdotal evidence is not gospel. Also it's amazing how these poor souls you saw, supposedly, on this documentary are "saying something" in spite of your assertion that they can be "put in jail". Reckless daredevils they are.



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I was just trying to make a point. How about the East Lansing Animal Rights Movement or By Any Means Necessary (BAMN), a national advocacy group working to defend racial integration and affirmative action in education and the workplace. The point is that our government watches anyone who they think is a threat to themselves and not the nation as a whole. Non-violent people.
They also watch groups like the Aryan Nation and radical religious groups. Keeping an eye on crazy radicals is something I would hope our government would do. Remember Oklahoma City?

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How about the Pentagon Report about spying on peace activists and veterans?
That's interesting. Do you have a link to the actual "Pentagon Papers" and not some obviously biased article?

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There you go again thinking you know what I think. I never said I think they won't kill our POW's. But I thought we were supposed to be better than that and a good example to the world.
We are. If you think beheading a prisoner and having a dog bark in one's face are in any way analogous, you're either insane, retarded or both.

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Apparently you think we should act just like them.
To quote you "There you go again thinking you know what I think". I don't think we need to start beheading prisoners on live TV, strapping bombs to GI's chests and sending them into crowds or blaming the Jews for everything, I just would like to be able to get workable intel from these scumbags when we get them. Do you really think waterboarding and slaps are the same as chopping off someones head?

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And I do think terrorists are human also. Maybe misguided and overly militant. Maybe they have less value for human life than I do. But they are still human.
Just another area where you and I differ.


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Why do you think they added the immunity clause?
Now we're retreading, I already went over why. Pay attention.
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Old 28-11-06, 08:59 PM   #50
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Old 28-11-06, 09:03 PM   #51
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Yeah whoa, I better let up, I don't wanna make any waves. Not my style.
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Old 28-11-06, 09:36 PM   #52
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Well that's that then.
I guess so.
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"Every" might have been a reach, but certainly every country that matters on the world stage. Because I'm too lazy to Google for every single country, I'll just offer Hans Blix's 2003 report to the UN, in which he said Iraq had not complied with resolutions to both destroy their WMD stockpile and document the destruction: http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/Bx27.htm
Oh but we comply with all the UN resolutions. *more sarcasm* Besides it seems that they did get rid of their stockpiles.
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Ah Joe Wilson...it seems despite being refuted and debunked by the bipartisan Senate Select Committee On Intelligence people still seem to think he has credibility.
I hadn't heard of that. Maybe you could give me a source on that.
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And I've seen documentaries of people saying they've seen Elvis and space aliens. Anecdotal evidence is not gospel. Also it's amazing how these poor souls you saw, supposedly, on this documentary are "saying something" in spite of your assertion that they can be "put in jail". Reckless daredevils they are.
Or they could be considered patriots who are voicing their opposition to unjust laws.
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They also watch groups like the Aryan Nation and radical religious groups. Keeping an eye on crazy radicals is something I would hope our government would do. Remember Oklahoma City?
I would hardly consider Veterans for Peace to be a "crazy radical" group.
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That's interesting. Do you have a link to the actual "Pentagon Papers" and not some obviously biased article?
No I haven't found the papers yet, but I have put in a few queries. And this has been reported by many news outlets, not just the "biased" sources.
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We are. If you think beheading a prisoner and having a dog bark in one's face are in any way analogous, you're either insane, retarded or both.To quote you "There you go again thinking you know what I think". I don't think we need to start beheading prisoners on live TV, strapping bombs to GI's chests and sending them into crowds or blaming the Jews for everything, I just would like to be able to get workable intel from these scumbags when we get them. Do you really think waterboarding and slaps are the same as chopping off someones head?
Yes we are better, but we are also regressing in our policy about torture. No chopping someones head off is not the same as dogs or slaps or waterboards. I don't think they were trying to gather intel by chopping heads off, though.
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Now we're retreading, I already went over why. Pay attention.
So you are seriously telling me that you excuse for the immunity clause is..."Because foreign nations (read: EUROPE) are pussified appeasement specialists and deem harsh words yelled at a detainee to be cruel and unusual torture." That's pretty weak reasoning.
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Yeah whoa, I better let up, I don't wanna make any waves. Not my style.
Since when, last time you went tsunami, led you to a new user name.
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I guess so.
Oh but we comply with all the UN resolutions. *more sarcasm* Besides it seems that they did get rid of their stockpiles.
Which resolutions don't we comply with? And even if we didn't comply that doesn't mean Saddam gets a free pass. And the issue was he needed to get rid of them in compliance with UN resolutions, which means the destruction had to be documented, something Blix found they didn't do. Shipping them off to Syria or burying them in the desert is not getting rid of them correctly.
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I hadn't heard of that. Maybe you could give me a source on that.
http://www.factcheck.org/article222.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell...chapter2-b.htm
"that in June 1999,(REDACTED) businessman, approached him and insisted that (Niger Prime Minister) Mayaki meet with an Iraqi delegation to discuss "expanding commercial relations" between Niger and Iraq. The intelligence report said that Mayaki interpreted "expanding commercial relations" to mean that the delegation wanted to discuss uranium yellowcake sales. The intelligence report also said that "although the meeting took place, Mayaki let the matter drop due to the UN sanctions on Iraq."

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Or they could be considered patriots who are voicing their opposition to unjust laws.
So they're full of shit yet that's cool with you because they're courageous dissenters? got it.

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I would hardly consider Veterans for Peace to be a "crazy radical" group.
Timothy McVeigh was a vet. John Kerry's former group, Vietnam Veterans Against the War, actually discussed assassinating a Senator.

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No I haven't found the papers yet, but I have put in a few queries. And this has been reported by many news outlets, not just the "biased" sources.
Do these "many news outlets" also describe the origin of these supposed reports as the utterly credible "e-mails and sources"...Wooo Eeee, with ironclad sources such as that I'm sold!

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Yes we are better, but we are also regressing in our policy about torture. No chopping someones head off is not the same as dogs or slaps or waterboards. I don't think they were trying to gather intel by chopping heads off, though.
You say regressing, I say evolving. It's not 1945 anymore.

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So you are seriously telling me that you excuse for the immunity clause is..."Because foreign nations (read: EUROPE) are pussified appeasement specialists and deem harsh words yelled at a detainee to be cruel and unusual torture." That's pretty weak reasoning.
As I told you before, sissified Europeons are eager as fuck to get their hands on anyone that has anything to do with the war and or detainees. Look how their frothing at the mouth over the CIA black sites hubbub.
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Ah, the ever present "root causes" meme. Seeking understanding and enjoying a little dhimmitude has always worked when dealing with homicidal religious maniacs. Perhaps we can bake them cookies!
congratulations fucknut you are the first conservative moron loser to use the dhimmitude adage here

please explain you fucking shit for brains
if you even have a clue


just rabbiting some term you picked up on greenfootballs or hotair ..

go crawl back into your hole

mindless fools..ffs
and go piss and moan on some conservative forum
where the brainwashed idiots can give you accolades for your clever sarcasam.

the US needs people in power now that can fix this mess the neocons started ,that can see the light at the end of the tunnel and are not blinded by the obvious deceptions of the republicans and their masters (and their midless drones)
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Old 29-11-06, 12:47 AM   #56
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Multi, this is span/czar/hegemonic... you are argueing with, don't bother LOL!

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I know arguing sweet tits, and that ain't it. That's frothing-at-the-mouth moonbattery.

Multi, take some anti-batshitinsane pills before you pop a vein.
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I know arguing sweet tits, and that ain't it. That's frothing-at-the-mouth moonbattery.
YAY!!!
Keep it up and i'll soon be at another span roasting lol! Your gross referring to female anatomy got you in the last mess where...

You keep coming on this board "reformed" but deep down inside, you are the same twat as you were once back on the nappy board, It's not because you have a down the hill blog that it makes you special cause if it's the case, sign up now for special olympics lol.

It is a rule of this board, if you comeback with a new username, you have to post back the previous ones you had in your new profile, board policy, you failed big time.

Update now you coward or does this board policy doesn't apply to you according to your views?

Are you so damned "Special?"
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I was aware of who it was from knifes post ,Dorothy

'moonbat' is an other sound of a squawing parrot..

an other brainwashed idiot trying to act smart.. go fsck yourself span
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Albed is that you?
I was thinking that.
Same sort of style.
But we all love Albed.
He's a bit like the da------
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