Iran's War Of Egos...

[miss_silver]

Originally Posted by Hegemonic

The cure for that, beautiful breasted woman, is to not present yourself as a total wisest of em all with little to no grasp on current geopolitical situations, or even current news stories.

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Indeed

[Mazer]

Originally Posted by miss_silver

Well... that's because you can't have a decent conversation with someone else that disagree with your political affiliation without you trashing em because you feel some different way.

You can respect the person even if you disagree with his point of view. And you can agree with the person even if you don't respect him. These are basic tenets of diplomacy and they keep society from falling into total chaos. In a civilized setting you can condemn a person's opinions without sinking to his level, likewise you can agree with your opponents without loosing face. I'd prefer it if this forum was civilized, but it's not all up to me.

Really hard to have a decent political battle when one keeps insulting the opponent because they are not supporting your views

Here we agree completly. But if you let the insults just roll off your back you would not be unique, people do this all the time and still manage to remain civilized. You and everyone else here lack the authority to punish someone for flinging insults, but you do have the ability to reward good behavior. I would encourage you to praise your opponents when they are civil and ignore them when they're not.

[albed]

Originally Posted by Mazer

You can respect the person even if you disagree with his point of view. And you can agree with the person even if you don't respect him. These are basic tenets of diplomacy and they keep society from falling into total chaos. In a civilized setting you can condemn a person's opinions without sinking to his level, likewise you can agree with your opponents without loosing face. I'd prefer it if this forum was civilized, but it's not all up to me.

There are people around who just don't deserve respect and it would be insincere and dishonest to pretend otherwise. They apparently don't comprehend that they're not very intelligent, well educated or mentally balanced so repeatedly informing them of their deficiencies is a good way to encourage them to make improvements.

Originally Posted by Mazer

Here we agree completly. But if you let the insults just roll off your back you would not be unique, people do this all the time and still manage to remain civilized. You and everyone else here lack the authority to punish someone for flinging insults, but you do have the ability to reward good behavior.

It looks like Mazer wants a little rewarding miss_silver.

Originally Posted by Mazer

I would encourage you to praise your opponents when they are civil and ignore them when they're not.

Or you could retaliate in kind. Clever insults and jabs at psychological weaknesses require a degree of intelligence that some people appreciate and find entertaining.

[Mazer]

On the contrary, I find your style of criticism very discouraging. I find that there are certain words I cannot mention in your company, and I'm probably not alone. You don't motivate people to be truthful and factual, albed, you manipulate them into saying exactly what you want to hear. You love it when people get the facts wrong or when they abuse logic or when they lie because it gives you the opportunity to make personal attacks. It doesn't matter what the topic is, in fact the further you stray from the topic the more fun you have. You havn't participated in a good political disucssion in a long time because every time you get involved the topic quickly looses focus and degrades into a flame war. The net result is that the Political Asylum has become a joke, and now I realize why it was created in the first place. It wasn't meant to rid political discussions of mamby crap, it was meant to rid the Underground of posts like yours. And it worked. You've built yourself a nice zoo here, with a sign at the enterance that reads, "Feed the animals at your own risk."

Outside of this forum, you're a regular guy and everybody likes you, especially for the techincal assistance you give in Byte Bits. In here you're a wild animal with no dignity, and people gawk at you like an ape in a cage.

[albed]

If people can't help but be manipulated by my words then they're weak minded at the least and if they can't even manage to ignore me they they've no self control at all and should do some serious introspection.


A topic loses focus when lies and faulty logic are allowed to infect a thread. If people had serious convictions then they wouldn't go off whining about insults and would instead defend their position with honest facts and reasoning.


Hard to believe people can be such wimps, even in the safety of the internet, that they go off crying over harsh words.


I think instead they just don't like being exposed as fools.

[Mazer]

Originally Posted by albed

If people can't help but be manipulated by my words then they're weak minded at the least and if they can't even manage to ignore me they they've no self control at all and should do some serious introspection.

Where would that leave you? With nobody to expose as fools, would you enjoy posting here as much, or at all? Don't worry, that won't happen, but how about this: are you capable of ignoring the lies and faulty logic of others and not posting knee-jerk corrections? Have you any self control?

Originally Posted by Mazer

are you capable of ignoring the lies and faulty logic of others and not posting knee-jerk corrections? Have you any self control?

Got it, so we should just let lies and faulty logic go unchecked and unchallenged, for the good of humanity!

[Mazer]

Hegemonic, you're not as reflexive as albed, but I would offer you similar advice for what it's worth. In this unmoderated forum you're free to write whatever you'd like, positive or negative as you see fit. Hence these discussions are what you make of them, and while I may press you to be more respectful, I have neither the authority nor the responsibility to tell you what you can and cannot post. I'm just expressing my desire to see more thoughtful discussions take place in this forum, and if name calling is the most thoughtful response you can give to a person you think is wrong then I can accept that. But I think you're smarter than that.

[albed]

Originally Posted by Mazer

Where would that leave you? With nobody to expose as fools, would you enjoy posting here as much, or at all? Don't worry, that won't happen, but how about this: are you capable of ignoring the lies and faulty logic of others and not posting knee-jerk corrections? Have you any self control?

What fucking good would that do? Have you seen some of the despicable lies posted by the lowlife scum in this forum?-The U.S. government ordered the 9/11 attacks; the Israelis massacred hundreds of Palestinians at Jenin; etc. If you don't have the guts to stand up for the truth then you aren't worth shit imo. But why are you so opposed to my doing it? What are those "words" you can't mention in my company and why? That just sounds so incredibly cowardly to me. Grow a fucking spine and stand up for yourself Mazer. I already know your full of bullshit with your claims of being Morman but not believing in morman tenants like creationism or not gambling, but almost all people claiming to be religious are that way; men swearing loyalty to their wives in a holy ceremony then going out and banging anything that moves; priests molesting children and killing nuns. Religious people know it's bullshit, aetheists know it's bullshit, so stand up for your particular brand of bullshit if it's so important to you.

And here's a little ditty to help everyone stop whining over name calling:

sticks and stones can break my bones but names can never hurt me

You whiners just repeat that to yourselves over and over until being called a name is no longer a traumatic experience to your immature little psyches.

[Mazer]

Heh, sorry I haven't said what you want to hear, albed.

Alright, if you're going to attack me personally I think you can do better than that. Attacking my religious beliefs isn't a bad start (it's spelled Mormon, by the way), but put some real thought into it. Hit me where it really hurts. Come on, you know I won't fight back. I'm an easy target and you'll love making an example out of me.








Matthew 7:6

[multi]

neither of you will ever have the flair of jcmd
he was more an equal opportuinty fool basher
who could stay on topic while trampling liberal ideas underfoot

anyway i would reread Mazers last few posts again guys
as usual he has the situation covered quite accurately

The US president, George Bush, said that threats from Mr Ahmadinejad, particularly towards Israel, had to be "dealt with". He told Germany's Bild am Sonntag newspaper that if Mr Ahmadinejad was ready to destroy one country (Israel), "then he would also be ready to destroy others". President Bush added: "This is a threat that needs to be dealt with."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,,1769750,00.html

world war three here we come

[albed]

Originally Posted by Mazer

Heh, sorry I haven't said what you want to hear, albed.

Alright, if you're going to attack me personally I think you can do better than that. Attacking my religious beliefs isn't a bad start (it's spelled Mormon, by the way), but put some real thought into it. Hit me where it really hurts. Come on, you know I won't fight back. I'm an easy target and you'll love making an example out of me.

No, you've inspired some good rants from me so now I insist that you take the opportunity to respond and give your own opinions.

What are the benefits of letting people convey lies and deceive others?

How is it you can proclaim belief in Mormonism but deny its tenants?




I just might pick on you for your response but gather up your courage and post anyway. It's only words and they can't hurt you.

[Mazer]

I don't assume there are any benefits for letting mediocrity slide, but I don't think you risk anything by doing so either. Idiots have always outnumbered intelligent people and they always will. There may be no cure for stupidity but it isn't as contagious as you fear. "A topic loses focus when lies and faulty logic are allowed to infect a thread." Infect? I'd have thought that by now you would have built up an immunity to bullshit and it wouldn't bother you. Well, unless it's an allergy, in which case I can offer no advice.

So other than preventing hayfeaver and hives, what are the benefits of not letting people convey lies and deceive others?

As for my religious beliefs, you can ask me again later when you're not compelled to judge me based on a belief system you don't hold yourself nor fully understand. Until that time I'll refer you to the Bible verse cited at the bottom of my last post.

Back to the topic.

Originally Posted by theknife

once you properly define the issue with Iran, it's not hard to predict where it goes from here. the issue, as far as the administration is concerned, is regime change - once again, wmd's are the excuse and once again, the administration telegraphs it's intentions by refusing direct talks. unfortunately, as with Iraq, our reach once again exceeds our grasp.

I've stated before that I think invasion is not only a bad idea but also not being seriously considered by the government. The president likes to say that the option is still on the table becase he want's to put up a strong front, and as everyone else in the world knows, a threat of military action from the United States is grave. No doubt the top military minds in Washington are working out the logistics of a confrontration with Iran, analyzing every possibility from small incursions and skirmishes to all out invasion and nuclear bombardment. But realistically the United States will not go to war against Iran unless they attack us first. Maybe not even then, after all we let Iraq shoot at our planes for a decade in violation of the ceasefire before we finally retalliated in ernest.

Part of me says, "World war three? Bring it on! We won the last two and we can do it again." But really, I don't see it ever comming to that. Up to this point we've done nothing but talk, and even if Bush and Ahmadinejad continue posturing for the media and never speak directly, at least they're making their desires clear. It's better to threaten war than to silently stand by, doing nothing, while Iran gleefully joins the nuclear club.

[miss_silver]

Ok...

This thread has hit the botomless pit, when you thought that there couldn't be more shit at the bottom of the barrel, seems that once broken, there is 100 feet more shit under it :/

Attacking someone based on their religion or spititual beliefs if the lowest thing i've seen so far. Personnally I do not believe in god but I think that Jesus teachings or stories are a good moral code, so are those 10 commandments

There is nothing religious about thow shall not steal or thow shall respect their father and mother or thow shall not conveit thy neighbor's wife or hubby...

Just can't conceive a heaven or hell, me thinks that hell is life on earth these days

Mazer, didn't know you were a mormon, kewl! one of my best friend is Realised I was uncomfortable with other religions or intolerent of them in the past and I know why now, it was because I didn't know where I was standing in the first place Now I know and all is good

Seen Little buddha recently, really gave me a jolt! This movie is excellent in so many ways Just came to realise that this thread is all about our nappy ego, not Iran nor the US, soon we will hit page 7, just a thought

[albed]

Originally Posted by Mazer

I don't assume there are any benefits for letting mediocrity slide, but I don't think you risk anything by doing so either. Idiots have always outnumbered intelligent people and they always will. There may be no cure for stupidity but it isn't as contagious as you fear.

Shit, you never heard of Medieval Witch Hunts, The Inquisition, Naziism, Stalinism, Chinese Communism, Khmer Rouge Communism. That figures.

Originally Posted by albed

What are the benefits of letting people convey lies and deceive others?

Originally Posted by Mazer

what are the benefits of not letting people convey lies and deceive others?

Ooooh, sooo clever. But you needed to say "detriments" to conform to the standard smarmy non-reply.

Originally Posted by Mazer

As for my religious beliefs, you can ask me again later when you're not compelled to judge me based on a belief system you don't hold yourself nor fully understand.

You think hypocrisy is a belief system? -Hypocritism- heh heh. Well I understand it very well and you appear to be a dedicated practitioner.

[Mazer]

Originally Posted by albed

Shit, you never heard of Medieval Witch Hunts, The Inquisition, Naziism, Stalinism, Chinese Communism, Khmer Rouge Communism. That figures.

This is by far the weirdest thing you've said.

[albed]

Contagious stupidity. And pretty detrimental.

[Mazer]

Oh, you were giving examples. For a moment there I thought the strain had gotten to you 'cause you weren't making any sense.

So this why you have to be right all the time? You're afraid the stupidity in this forum is going to break out into a holocaust without you to stop it? You're like a superhero, albed. Somebody should crhonicle your exploits in a comic book.

[miss_silver]

i'm feeling fluffy