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Old 12-05-04, 02:31 PM   #21
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... it isn't new. This sort of thing went on and goes on all the time - went on in Somalia, Rwanda, Iran, Indonesia, Chile... you name it. It happens every day and we never blink, we never even hear of it. How many poor bastards have suffered a similar fate?
It also happens in illegal drug organizations to enforcement agents, informants, police, prosecutors; and often their relatives; all so people can smoke their pot, hash, crack, etc.
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Old 12-05-04, 03:02 PM   #22
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Link---- was for your claim of 90%........how did the wall street journal come up with this number?
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Old 12-05-04, 06:07 PM   #24
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yeh i sort of guessed thats why they picked him..
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Old 12-05-04, 09:18 PM   #25
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for what, murdering a few defenseless prisoners? 90% of whom were wrongly arrested, taken out of their homes in the middle of the night and thrown into saddam’s 1-way roach motel. nah, we're all cool with that. who could possibly have a problem that?
what a load of shit! do you know this for a fact, that innocent iraqis were taken out of their homes, that all of them were being raped and tortured, that 90% of the prisoners are innocent? NO.. it's all liberal fairytales.

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how many civillians have we killed? ten thousand? twenty five thousand? who knows? hell, who cares...some iraqis? pfffft. they obviously don’t get it. when the bush machine kills you it’s ok. it’s just that simple. next.
and yet millions of innocent germans perished during WWII in allied bombings. this certainly didn't delegitimize the entire war effort against the nazis. likewise, it shouldn't demoralize the war against garbage like saddam hussein and bin ladin and all those who follow and support them. don't get me wrong, we should make every effort to minimize civilian casualties. but in guerilla type warfare like in iraq it's damn near impossible to do so. let me remind you that the vast majority of civilian casualties in iraq in recent months is the result of islamic terrorists attacking anything in sight and not the bush killing machine.

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i read articles from reuters, AP, CNN, and even the opinion journal of the WSJ and i have seen nothing that support your claim.
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Old 12-05-04, 09:49 PM   #26
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Terrorism 101. These are of course the precise emotional reactions such programming is intended to arouse in the target audience.

Stay tuned.

This is the newest trend in reality shows. Small, low-budget, Al-Snuffa productions, built-in viewership, and primetime slots with internet distribution. It's bound to be big.

These assholes don't care how many innocent people we may hack through or 'pave over' to get to them, or if we even do get to them. They just want to make sure we stay hungry for them and their ilk. They don't give a fuck about content, they're just in it to sell the advertising time.

They believe themselves to be spiritual antibodies with the divine purpose of killing an infection, and if five of them can isolate and eliminate one of us and be destroyed in the process, it's considered a good day. Their genius lies in the fact that they value our deaths above their own lives, and that they breed like no other organism on this earth--by sharing an idea, a virus that can thrive on our fear but virtually teems in our hatred.

Thus they're deliriously happy as long as they have our full attention, the full focus of our hatred, and the reins of our priorities.
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Old 12-05-04, 11:02 PM   #27
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Advertizing time? What is it they're selling?
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Old 13-05-04, 07:29 AM   #28
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Ok... I'm going to open myself up to a bit of criticism here... but what the hell.

I watched the video again last night and remembered a few things that flashed through my mind when I watched it originally... How many times does the guy reading the statement read the same page? He fannys around with the paper as if there's nothing written on it - hardly surprising, because there probably wasn't - the dubbing and editing is fucking amateur and/or intentional. Another thing, I'll check snopes about this, but when the throat/jugular is cut, blood usually spurts out for several seconds - particularly during a stressful occassion when blood pressure is skyrocketing - yet the blood seems to trickle out and pool on the floor - not a drop hits the nearby two walls that corner his body.

I reckon (by the grace of God) he was already dead before the decapitation - that'd account for the porno-style zoom in and out, inbetween Berg being pushed to the ground and the knife being used. His struggling movements wouldn't have been difficult to simulate.

Then again, maybe I'm too suspicious. Proceed with the namecalling.
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Old 13-05-04, 10:19 AM   #29
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Ok... I'm going to open myself up to a bit of criticism here... but what the hell.

I watched the video again last night and remembered a few things that flashed through my mind when I watched it originally... How many times does the guy reading the statement read the same page? He fannys around with the paper as if there's nothing written on it - hardly surprising, because there probably wasn't - the dubbing and editing is fucking amateur and/or intentional. Another thing, I'll check snopes about this, but when the throat/jugular is cut, blood usually spurts out for several seconds - particularly during a stressful occassion when blood pressure is skyrocketing - yet the blood seems to trickle out and pool on the floor - not a drop hits the nearby two walls that corner his body.

I reckon (by the grace of God) he was already dead before the decapitation - that'd account for the porno-style zoom in and out, inbetween Berg being pushed to the ground and the knife being used. His struggling movements wouldn't have been difficult to simulate.

Then again, maybe I'm too suspicious. Proceed with the namecalling.
Hey, no name calling here.
I thought the same thing.
FAKE
The next question is who faked it them or us?
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Old 13-05-04, 10:34 AM   #30
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I got the video from Squid's link...no dubbing and such poor resolution i couldn't really see blood except where it was on Berg's jaw. It would have spurted downward anyway. I saw a lot of page turning and reading. It all looked authentic enough. Where'd you get your version?

Are you thinking of Daniel Pearl where they didn't know how to work the video camera and had to fake-kill him a second time to get the video?
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Old 13-05-04, 01:28 PM   #31
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Hey, no name calling here.
I thought the same thing.
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I don't think it's fake.
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Old 13-05-04, 02:45 PM   #32
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I don't think it's fake.
On this, really don't know The first time i've seen it full, your link, I thought that 4.30 mins was awfully long for 2 page of text to read. Call me inhuman for this cold analysis but, ever seen any animal cut from the troath, it bleeds like hell since the heart is still supplying blood to the major arteries. I've seen none of that in this recording, hell, the whole cell should have been soaked with blood after they were done butchering the poor soul.

Imho, if this were a true video and not manipulated, they must have bled him before the whole horrendous thing was done.
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Well it seems to me Liberals want to blame anybody but the Killers.
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rummy's boys think it's the mccoy. maybe they know something...

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Old 13-05-04, 09:04 PM   #35
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yeah and loads of idiots think it's fake. fucked up thrad here-

http://www.genmay.com/showthread.php?t=354134

the funny is present.
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Old 14-05-04, 12:44 AM   #36
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the funny is present.
Jeeps... and I thought I was the only one who felt it was a little suspicious! Some of the suggestion raised are ridiculous - like the fact that there could never be more than one person who owns a crappy white garden chair, or even paint a wall magnolia! Same goes for the orange jumpsuit. Pretty poor stuff really.

However, I'm just pointing out that the video is heavily (and poorly) edited. For example, Berg's screaming starts before the knife is pulled - yet he is sat there motionless and his mouth does not open... the video is dubbed - simple as that. Christ, I could have done better than that! Albed - to answer your question, I used squid's link. I also downloaded it twice, just incase I had a corupted copy, but the dubbing's just as bad. Check it out again.

Before anyone lays into me over this, be aware that I ain't blaming it on anyone - I'm simply pointing out a few flaws. Check out the time codes on the picture... I'm hardly a military analyst but the order of the timecodes pretty much shows that the video hasn't just been edited, it's been re-arranged. Look, these are presented in the order that they are shown in the video...

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