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Old 08-10-04, 02:16 AM   #41
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kidless at present, so that's not an issue atm but of course my rates would follow my anatomy northwards should that status change. i would definitely insure my children, paying out of pocket for serious long-term care of any childhood disease or accident is as hard for me to imagine as it is for you.

that 5 mil then is for me alone and yeah, when it runs out i'll have to start selling assets. on the other hand something so catastrophically costly probably has such an infinitesimally low survival rate to begin with that figuring out the money angles will be the least of my worries. as for reaching 5 mil just in normal wear and tear well, i spend a few grand a year, on a bad year, for care, so it would take a very long time at that rate. in any event i usually pick up a new plan every 5 or ten tears anyway, and the money clock reverts to zero each time.

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Thanks for the insight jack. And there was no doubt on my mind you would insure your kids if ya had any (i should have been more clear on that one in my previous post) sorry about that

For a dutchie it's kinda weird to hear that there is a 5 million limit on healthcare plan (sounds a bit like insurance companie are putting a price tag on life) but you are right 5 million is a lot and it is not very likely one will spend that in a lifetime
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Old 08-10-04, 02:23 AM   #42
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I just don't mind looking out for others who aren't as lucky as me. No great conspiracy.
Carefull, the sickle is making it's way towards you now

I couldn't agree more though. Besides if the other is a productive member of society I/we benefit from a quick return of this member. If not i am happy if this person get treated before he/she spreads a nasty disease like HIV or something something. Maybe save a life in the process ........ money well spent.
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Who is/are the 'all' you refer to?
See the 'so many people' in the first quote.




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Albed, how have you arrived at this feeling? I'm surprised you even asked the question.
Condemn is a verb, indicating I'm doing something, at least to you.
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Condemn is a verb, indicating I'm doing something, at least to you.
It was also contained withing a sentence ending with a question mark, indicating an inquiry, rather than an accusative... At least it does to 'all of us'.
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...Besides if the other is a productive member of society I/we benefit from a quick return of this member. If not i am happy if this person get treated before he/she spreads a nasty disease like HIV or something something. Maybe save a life in the process ........ money well spent.
Yes, but that requires thinking about things beyond your immediate gratification. More accurately, it requires a passing interest in collectivism over individualism - a pursuit that, traditionally, has been regarded as 'un-American'.
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It was also contained withing a sentence ending with a question mark, indicating an inquiry, rather than an accusative... At least it does to 'all of us'.
Oh right, that changes ummm....nothing.




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...Besides if the other is a productive member of society I/we benefit from a quick return of this member. If not i am happy if this person get treated before he/she spreads a nasty disease like HIV or something something. Maybe save a life in the process ........ money well spent.
Ever thought of just keeping it in your pants toy boy?




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Yes, but that requires thinking about things beyond your immediate gratification. More accurately, it requires a passing interest in collectivism over individualism - a pursuit that, traditionally, has been regarded as 'un-American'.
Thinking beyond immediate gratification....right.
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Old 08-10-04, 11:48 AM   #47
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Ever thought of just keeping it in your pants toy boy?

What the fuck ?????

I am totally lost here. Why oh why should i keep it in my pants ?????
Did i say or even suggest somewhere that i had HIV???

All i said was, that i consider it a good point when a productive member of society returns to that society after falling sick and that everybody SHOULD have access to healthcare, without any consideration to their income.
Since HIV. has become controlable now i don't mind spending a few dollars more in order to save the life of someone else. Like i said money well spent.

So i should keep it in my pants, because????
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Jeeze your dense. Keeping it in your pants keeps you from catching HIV. You don't have to worry about it spreading then. At least to you.


Ummm...maybe you were thinking about catching it in another way though.
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come on albed, HIV was an example, it could be TB, food poisoning, hepatitis whatever the list is virtually endless.
How people get infected is a bit beside the point. With your mindset people without insurance can go on for months if not years without even knowing that they are infected.

or shouldn't we eat food anymore or wait it's prolly my fault when someone with tb sneezes in the subway. yeah mike, you shouldn't sit next to someone like that. and how could i board that fucking plane while sars was around.

and with that keep your dick in your pants story .... well you start to sound holier than the pope mate. Must be the reason why africa has no AIDS
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How people get infected is a bit beside the point.
Like hell it is! It's almost all of the point; if people don't get infected then there is no other point, so why not look at stopping it. Modifying people's behaviour, quarantining people who won't behave themselves. Using resources for eliminating the disease instead of treating the people who have it for the rest of their lives. Maybe if they have to suffer and die or at least pay for their own healthcare as a result of their actions they'll change their behaviour and never get sick.

I think that maybe if the fat guy at work was faced with selling his big, expensive, and much beloved RV to pay for his bypass operations he might have become a vegan instead.




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With your mindset people without insurance can go on for months if not years without even knowing that they are infected.
What mindset are you talking about? You can still take it out and check it you know.
Why would insurance make people get checkups if they're already engaging in behaviour that shows disreguard for their health as with HIV and Hepatitis. They need reasons to stop endangering themselves instead of a safety net to keep them alive once they've already screwed up.




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or shouldn't we eat food anymore or wait it's prolly my fault when someone with tb sneezes in the subway. yeah mike, you shouldn't sit next to someone like that. and how could i board that fucking plane while sars was around.
You can pick your eateries more carefully, maybe wear a dust mask like the Japanese during SARS season. But these infections are low mortality and except for TB, curable.

My "keep your dick in your pants" story is just an example of avoiding disease in the first place; a condom will also work. And your Africa quip makes absolutely no sense at all.

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Old 09-10-04, 08:16 AM   #51
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...Besides if the other is a productive member of society I/we benefit from a quick return of this member. If not i am happy if this person get treated before he/she spreads a nasty disease like HIV or something something. Maybe save a life in the process ........ money well spent.
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Yes, but that requires thinking about things beyond your immediate gratification. More accurately, it requires a passing interest in collectivism over individualism - a pursuit that, traditionally, has been regarded as 'un-American'.
This is a hoot. How do you think HIV gets spread except by thinking about immediate gratification.
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Old 10-10-04, 06:07 AM   #52
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Like hell it is! It's almost all of the point; if people don't get infected then there is no other point, so why not look at stopping it. Modifying people's behaviour, quarantining people who won't behave themselves. Using resources for eliminating the disease instead of treating the people who have it for the rest of their lives. Maybe if they have to suffer and die or at least pay for their own healthcare as a result of their actions they'll change their behaviour and never get sick.
Quarantining people who do not behave themselves, HAHAHAHA good one not even Stalin went that far and they are calling me a socialist . On a more serious note, eliminating the disease instead of treating it. WOW man, what drugs are you using ? I want some! We have tried that with malaria ( didn't work ) we are trying it with the flu and the common cold ( it doesn't work ) we are trying to eliminate child diseases and you guessed it by now ( it doesn't work ) those diseases are still here. and of course Albed it's my own bloody fault for not sleeping in a bunker and a musquito stings me.

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I think that maybe if the fat guy at work was faced with selling his big, expensive, and much beloved RV to pay for his bypass operations he might have become a vegan instead.
Thank gawd vegans never get heart problems

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What mindset are you talking about? You can still take it out and check it you know.
Why would insurance make people get checkups if they're already engaging in behaviour that shows disreguard for their health as with HIV and Hepatitis. They need reasons to stop endangering themselves instead of a safety net to keep them alive once they've already screwed up.
It won't. However it will make them have a check up much sooner therefor the disease might be discovered earlier which in it's turn stops the spreading of the disease. Besides that their is nothing and i mean nothing wrong with looking after someone albed, this entire world isn't revolving around YOU!!!!

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You can pick your eateries more carefully, maybe wear a dust mask like the Japanese during SARS season. But these infections are low mortality and except for TB, curable.
Hmmm now let me think here. How many people die in the united states from Ecoli 0157 after eating a burger somewhere? Oh wait eating at burger king is a no no so is eating at mcdonalds. Am i to understand that you check the kitchen in every restaurant before you go eat there?
OH pssssst albed, a dusk mask does not protect you from a viral infection .... never have never will.


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My "keep your dick in your pants" story is just an example of avoiding disease in the first place; a condom will also work. And your Africa quip makes absolutely no sense at all.
Okay i admit that africa crap i threw at you was a bit on the lame side. However most diseases you will contract in your life are beyond your own control. therefor albed you can't keep your statement up well you can, you are entitled to your own opinion, whether it is the best one i heard is irrelevant. i could extend this to driving a car and having an accident for no other reason then some granny gets an heart attack behind the wheel. you can no longer board a plane because of sars. you are not able to walk the streets anymore. all because you are taking health risks when doing so.
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Quarantining people who do not behave themselves, HAHAHAHA good one not even Stalin went that far and they are calling me a socialist .
Quarantine has been used throughout history and Cuba now quarantines HIV infected citizens. You're knowledge of Stalin must be pretty biased.




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On a more serious note, eliminating the disease instead of treating it. WOW man, what drugs are you using ? I want some! We have tried that with malaria ( didn't work ) we are trying it with the flu and the common cold ( it doesn't work ) we are trying to eliminate child diseases and you guessed it by now ( it doesn't work ) those diseases are still here. and of course Albed it's my own bloody fault for not sleeping in a bunker and a musquito stings me.
Interesting how you completely forgot about HIV and Hepatitis now and you want to talk about Malaria to say disease can't be eliminated. Hmmm, wonder why we don't have malaria in the US now? Could it have been eliminated? You can't even cherry pick a disease to support your position.
http://www.cdc.gov/malaria/spotlights/index_050704.htm




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Hmmm now let me think here. How many people die in the united states from Ecoli 0157 after eating a burger somewhere? Oh wait eating at burger king is a no no so is eating at mcdonalds. Am i to understand that you check the kitchen in every restaurant before you go eat there?
I don't know about Holland but you see some crappy little restaurants in the US. Burger King and McDonalds are reputable so I don't know what your problem is.




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OH pssssst albed, a dusk mask does not protect you from a viral infection .... never have never will.
It's not 100% effective but it does provide protection.
http://www.hon.ch/News/HSN/512591.html
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Muzzarelli added that a healthy lifestyles -- plenty of sleep, physical fitness and a good diet -- may be the best defense against illnesses like SARS.
Probably the advice that motivates your opposition to preventing disease. You want to be free to smoke, drink and sleep with whores then get free medical care.




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Okay i admit that africa crap i threw at you was a bit on the lame side. However most diseases you will contract in your life are beyond your own control.
Since I take preventative measures obviously the ones I do get are beyond my control. Smoking and obesity are now leading causes of serious diseases in the US. Add on drinking and drug abuse and you've probably accounted for over 50% of medical costs. Easily preventable by personal behaviour.
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Quarantine has been used throughout history and Cuba now quarantines HIV infected citizens. You're knowledge of Stalin must be pretty biased.
WOW he is pointing at a communist country and yes my vision of stalin is very biased .... i don't like that fuck.

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Interesting how you completely forgot about HIV and Hepatitis now and you want to talk about Malaria to say disease can't be eliminated. Hmmm, wonder why we don't have malaria in the US now? Could it have been eliminated? You can't even cherry pick a disease to support your position.
http://www.cdc.gov/malaria/spotlights/index_050704.htm
For the last time i used them as examples. Only to, and i know against my own better judgement, to show that you can contract many diseases beyond your control.


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I don't know about Holland but you see some crappy little restaurants in the US. Burger King and McDonalds are reputable so I don't know what your problem is.
That doesn't take away they can make you fat, they can cause heart disease and maybe even cancer


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It's not 100% effective but it does provide protection.
http://www.hon.ch/News/HSN/512591.html
Probably the advice that motivates your opposition to preventing disease. You want to be free to smoke, drink and sleep with whores then get free medical care.
if i wish to smoke, drink, eat and fuck every crackwhore in the neighbo(u)rood is none of your business even if i pay for a collective health insurance

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Since I take preventative measures obviously the ones I do get are beyond my control. Smoking and obesity are now leading causes of serious diseases in the US. Add on drinking and drug abuse and you've probably accounted for over 50% of medical costs. Easily preventable by personal behaviour.
Is that so albed? i hope when you jog you don't break a leg


But since it is easier to teach a pig how to whistle than to make you see my or someone elses point of view i am going to give this one a rest

mike out.
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