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Old 25-03-04, 11:49 PM   #1
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Lopsided UN resolution gets vetoed by evil US

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UNITED NATIONS - The United States vetoed a U.N. Security Council resolution Thursday condemning Israel's assassination of Hamas leader Ahmed Yassin.

The veto came after Algeria, the resolution's sponsor, rejected a U.S. demand that the measure also condemn violence by Hamas and other militant groups by name.

The resolution "is silent about the terrorist atrocities committed by Hamas," U.S. Ambassador John Negroponte said before the vote. He called the measure "unbalanced, one-sided."

"Israel's action has escalated tensions in Gaza and the region ... but events must be considered in their context," Negroponte said.

Critics said the veto condoned Israel's policy of assassinating militant leaders.

The vote, which followed days of debate, was 11 countries in favor, three countries abstaining, and only the United States against.
So how long before the anti-semite arab majority in the UN sends NATO into Israel because it's defending itself?
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Old 26-03-04, 02:02 AM   #2
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30 Years Of U.S. UN Vetoes

How the U.S. has Voted // Vetoed- See any bias - See any pattern ?

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1972 Condemns Israel for killing hundreds of people in Syria and Lebanon in air raids.
1973 Afirms the rights of the Palestinians and calls on Israel to withdraw from the occupied territories.
1976 Condemns Israel for attacking Lebanese civilians.
1976 Condemns Israel for building settlements in the occupied territories.
1976 Calls for self determination for the Palestinians.
1976 Afirms the rights of the Palestinians.
1978 Urges the permanent members (USA, USSR, UK, France, China) to insure United Nations decisions on the maintenance of international peace and security.
1978 Criticises the living conditions of the Palestinians.
1978 Condemns the Israeli human rights record in occupied territories.
1978 Calls for developed countries to increase the quantity and quality of development assistance to underdeveloped countries.
1979 Calls for an end to all military and nuclear collaboration with the apartheid South Africa.
1979 Strengthens the arms embargo against South Africa.
1979 Offers assistance to all the oppressed people of South Africa and their liberation movement.
1979 Concerns negotiations on disarmament and cessation of the nuclear arms race.
1979 Calls for the return of all inhabitants expelled by Israel.
1979 Demands that Israel desist from human rights violations.
1979 Requests a report on the living conditions of Palestinians in occupied Arab countries.
1979 Offers assistance to the Palestinian people.
1979 Discusses sovereignty over national resources in occupied Arab territories.
1979 Calls for protection of developing counties' exports.
1979 Calls for alternative approaches within the United Nations system for improving the enjoyment of human rights and fundamental freedoms.
1979 Opposes support for intervention in the internal or external affairs of states.
1979 For a United Nations Conference on Women.
1979 To include Palestinian women in the United Nations Conference on Women.
1979 Safeguards rights of developing countries in multinational trade negotiations.
1980 Requests Israel to return displaced persons.
1980 Condemns Israeli policy regarding the living conditions of the Palestinian people.
1980 Condemns Israeli human rights practices in occupied territories. 3 resolutions.
1980 Afirms the right of self determination for the Palestinians.
1980 Offers assistance to the oppressed people of South Africa and their national liberation movement.
1980 Attempts to establish a New International Economic Order to promote the growth of underdeveloped countries and international economic co-operation.
1980 Endorses the Program of Action for Second Half of United Nations Decade for Women.
1980 Declaration of non-use of nuclear weapons against non-nuclear states.
1980 Emphasises that the development of nations and individuals is a human right.
1980 Calls for the cessation of all nuclear test explosions.
1980 Calls for the implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples.
1981 Promotes co-operative movements in developing countries.
1981 Affirms the right of every state to choose its economic and social system in accord with the will of its people, without outside interference in whatever form it takes.
1981 Condemns activities of foreign economic interests in colonial territories.
1981 Calls for the cessation of all test explosions of nuclear weapons.
1981 Calls for action in support of measures to prevent nuclear war, curb the arms race and promote disarmament.
1981 Urges negotiations on prohibition of chemical and biological weapons.
1981 Declares that education, work, health care, proper nourishment, national development, etc are human rights.
1981 Condemns South Africa for attacks on neighbouring states, condemns apartheid and attempts to strengthen sanctions. 7 resolutions.
1981 Condemns an attempted coup by South Africa on the Seychelles.
1981 Condemns Israel's treatment of the Palestinians, human rights policies, and the bombing of Iraq. 18 resolutions.
1982 Condemns the Israeli invasion of Lebanon. 6 resolutions (1982 to 1983).
1982 Condemns the shooting of 11 Muslims at a shrine in Jerusalem by an Israeli soldier.
1982 Calls on Israel to withdraw from the Golan Heights occupied in 1967.
1982 Condemns apartheid and calls for the cessation of economic aid to South Africa. 4 resolutions.
1982 Calls for the setting up of a World Charter for the protection of the ecology.
1982 Sets up a United Nations conference on succession of states in respect to state property, archives and debts.
1982 Nuclear test bans and negotiations and nuclear free outer space. 3 resolutions.
1982 Supports a new world information and communications order.
1982 Prohibition of chemical and bacteriological weapons.
1982 Development of international law.
1982 Protects against products harmful to health and the environment .
1982 Declares that education, work, health care, proper nourishment, national development are human rights.
1982 Protects against products harmful to health and the environment.
1982 Development of the energy resources of developing countries.
1983 Resolutions about apartheid, nuclear arms, economics, and international law. 15 resolutions.
1984 Condemns support of South Africa in its Namibian and other policies.
1984 International action to eliminate apartheid.
1984 Condemns Israel for occupying and attacking southern Lebanon.
1984 Resolutions about apartheid, nuclear arms, economics, and international law. 18 resolutions.
1985 Condemns Israel for occupying and attacking southern Lebanon.
1985 Condemns Israel for using excessive force in the occupied territories.
1985 Resolutions about cooperation, human rights, trade and development. 3 resolutions.
1985 Measures to be taken against Nazi, Fascist and neo-Fascist activities .
1986 Calls on all governments (including the USA) to observe international law.
1986 Imposes economic and military sanctions against South Africa.
1986 Condemns Israel for its actions against Lebanese civilians.
1986 Calls on Israel to respect Muslim holy places.
1986 Condemns Israel for sky-jacking a Libyan airliner.
1986 Resolutions about cooperation, security, human rights, trade, media bias, the environment and development.
8 resolutions.
1987 Calls on Israel to abide by the Geneva Conventions in its treatment of the Palestinians.
1987 Calls on Israel to stop deporting Palestinians.
1987 Condemns Israel for its actions in Lebanon. 2 resolutions.
1987 Calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon.
1987 Cooperation between the United Nations and the League of Arab States.
1987 Calls for compliance in the International Court of Justice concerning military and paramilitary activities against Nicaragua and a call to end the trade embargo against Nicaragua. 2 resolutions.
1987 Measures to prevent international terrorism, study the underlying political and economic causes of terrorism, convene a conference to define terrorism and to differentiate it from the struggle of people from national liberation.
1987 Resolutions concerning journalism, international debt and trade. 3 resolutions.
1987 Opposition to the build up of weapons in space.
1987 Opposition to the development of new weapons of mass destruction.
1987 Opposition to nuclear testing. 2 resolutions.
1987 Proposal to set up South Atlantic "Zone of Peace".
1988 Condemns Israeli practices against Palestinians in the occupied territories. 5 resolutions (1988 and 1989).
1989 Condemns USA invasion of Panama.
1989 Condemns USA troops for ransacking the residence of the Nicaraguan ambassador in Panama.
1989 Condemns USA support for the Contra army in Nicaragua.
1989 Condemns illegal USA embargo of Nicaragua.
1989 Opposing the acquisition of territory by force.
1989 Calling for a resolution to the Arab-Israeli conflict based on earlier UN resoltions.
1990 To send three UN Security Council observers to the occupied territories.
1995 Afirms that land in East Jerusalem annexed by Israel is occupied territory.
1997 Calls on Israel to cease building settlements in East Jerusalem and other occupied territories. 2 resolutions.
1999 Calls on the USA to end its trade embargo on Cuba. 8 resolutions (1992 to 1999).
2001 To send unarmed monitors to the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.
2001 To set up the International Criminal Court.
2002 To renew the peace keeping mission in Bosnia.
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Old 26-03-04, 11:33 AM   #3
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Lopsided UN resolution gets vetoed by evil US


So how long before the anti-semite arab majority in the UN sends NATO into Israel because it's defending itself?


Why is it ok for the IDF to open fire in crowded streets to kill militants? From September 2000 to Aug 2002, a total of 1,700 Palestinians and 600 Israelis had been killed. Most were civilians. In Israel, most deaths were caused by suicide bombers, at the same time, military incursions into the West Bank and the reoccupation of Palestinian towns and cities by the IDF resulted in heavy loss of civilian life. More than 100 children were killed, not in crossfire between Palestinian and Israeli forces, but mainly when the IDF randomly opened fire or shelled civilian neighbourhoods; over 20 children were killed "collaterally" in the course of the assassination of militants.

Since the beginning of this month, March 2004, Israeli forces have killed 44 Palestinians, including women and children. According to data from the Palestinian Red Crescent Society and the Ministry of Health, 30 Palestinians were killed in Gaza and 14 in the West Bank. Among those killed are 18 minors. More than 197 Palestinians, mostly children, were wounded in the same period. In February 2004, Israeli forces killed 52 Palestinians. Since the beginning of 2004, Israeli forces killed 128 Palestinians.

International law prohibits without exception, the extra-judicial killing of protected persons. Israel's policy of assassination clearly amounts to intentional or wilful killing, which constitutes a grave breach of the Fourth Geneva Convention and is subject to international criminal prosecution. The UN is weak so they can not enforce this law, but they have meetings and do shit like vote on resolutions knowing they will be vetoed to give the illusion like they care.
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Old 26-03-04, 11:41 AM   #4
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after the farce that was Jenin i'm really suprised you're relying on any info given by Palestinians regarding civilian deaths. Sure some civilians get killed while the IDF is killing terrorists (not "militants", do you work for Reuters or something?) but the blame falls on the civilians for either harboring the terrorists or allowing themselves to be used as human shields.
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after the farce that was Jenin i'm really suprised you're relying on any info given by Palestinians regarding civilian deaths. Sure some civilians get killed while the IDF is killing terrorists (not "militants", do you work for Reuters or something?) but the blame falls on the civilians for either harboring the terrorists or allowing themselves to be used as human shields.

Well its info, the source can be questioned, but blaming the civilians for allowing themselves to be used as human shields is very weak. I don't think they have much of a choice, That would be like someone saying the 9/11 victims that died should have gotten out of the building before it fell, it's their fault they didn't.

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Old 26-03-04, 12:09 PM   #6
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Well its info, the source can be questioned, but blaming the civilians for allowing themselves to be used as human shields is very weak. I don't think they have much of a choice, That would be like someone saying the 9/11 victims that died should have gotten out of the building before it fell, it's their fault they didn't.

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so you're saying the civilians that willingly stand around black-clad Hamas members as they're firing at IDF troops are somehow not at fault for their own death? i don't know about you but when shots ring out i haul ass, i don't mull around the shooter hoping to see some action.
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so you're saying the civilians that willingly stand around black-clad Hamas members as they're firing at IDF troops are somehow not at fault for their own death? i don't know about you but when shots ring out i haul ass, i don't mull around the shooter hoping to see some action.

So innocent people who get killed in cross-fire between gang members in the USA, it is their fault they live in those neighborhoods. Fact is some people do not have a chioce. They are poor and have no where else to go. blame the victim and not the Shooters???

You think they want to get killed? How about shop owners in bad areas, it is they own fault they get robbed?
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So innocent people who get killed in cross-fire between gang members in the USA, it is their fault they live in those neighborhoods. Fact is some people do not have a chioce. They are poor and have no where else to go. blame the victim and not the Shooters???

You think they want to get killed? How about shop owners in bad areas, it is they own fault they get robbed?
did you even read what i wrote? i was talking about the civilians that willingly put themselves in harm's way by treating these terrorists like saints and standing in awe around them while he's shooting at IDF.
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did you even read what i wrote? i was talking about the civilians that willingly put themselves in harm's way by treating these terrorists like saints and standing in awe around them while he's shooting at IDF.
Well I don't think the children the IDF are killing fall into your Category.
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yeah, those poor "innocents"





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Those guys in the black stocking hats look just like your avatar span. Maybe you are a terrorist?
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Old 26-03-04, 06:39 PM   #13
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So how long before the anti-semite arab majority in the UN sends NATO into Israel because it's defending itself?
This is a minor point, but arabic is a semetic language. This doesn't mean that the arabs aren't racists, but technically they can't be anti-semites being semites themselves. (Or maybe they are and that's why the commit suicide bombings.)
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Those guys in the black stocking hats look just like your avatar span. Maybe you are a terrorist?
hey, at least this terrorist in training thought it was funny
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Why is it ok for the IDF to open fire in crowded streets to kill militants?
because it's self defense. even if terrorists hide in civilian areas it's legal under international law to go after them.

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From September 2000 to Aug 2002, a total of 1,700 Palestinians and 600 Israelis had been killed. Most were civilians.
yes, on the israeli side but not on the palestinian side. palestinian count homicide bombers as civilians killed by israel. palestinians count armed fighters killed by israeli troops in gunfights as civilians killed by israel. palestinians count people murdered by the PA for being "collaborators" as civilians killed by israel. "killed by who" is of little relevance to them. these people are added to a huge list of "casualties" the palestinians present to the international community as victims killed by israelis. it's been shown that the palestinians often exaggerate their casualty figures to win world sympathy.

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Since the beginning of this month, March 2004, Israeli forces have killed 44 Palestinians, including women and children. According to data from the Palestinian Red Crescent Society and the Ministry of Health, 30 Palestinians were killed in Gaza and 14 in the West Bank. Among those killed are 18 minors. More than 197 Palestinians, mostly children, were wounded in the same period. In February 2004, Israeli forces killed 52 Palestinians. Since the beginning of 2004, Israeli forces killed 128 Palestinians.
where did you get these figures from? and what about israeli civilians killed by palestinian terrrorists during this time?

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International law prohibits without exception, the extra-judicial killing of protected persons.
international law does indeed protect innocent civilians from "extra-judicial" killings. it does NOT protect terrorists who declared war against israel from being targeted. furthermore, it puts the responsibility of the safe-being of protected persons in the hands of the party who controls the area where the protected person is. so, technically, gaza city is territory controlled by the PA. thus, the responsibility of ensuring the well-being of innocents in this area falls on the PA. the PA is responsible, according to international law, for putting their civilians in harm's way.
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I always thought that it was ok to bitch about Israel without mentioning the Jewish religion.

Guess not.

The official line from Israel, reported today in the LA Times, is that if u don like Israel u don't likes Jews and condone the Holocaust.


Now I'm getting pissed.

How many have the jews killed lately?
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Big Laugh hey floyd ..you missed some

Oct 2003: Draft resolution seeking to bar Israel from extending security barrier
Sep 2003: Draft resolution against Israeli threats to "remove" Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat
Dec 2002: Draft resolution condemning the killing of UN employees in the West Bank
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