War on terror to last till 2040?

[vernarial]

Originally Posted by albed

Who's "we"? Can there possibly be other dimwits who haven't learned how religious terrorism is spred? You should all get together and google "madrassa", "wahhabism", "koran", etc.


Or you could just continue saying you need to do something without actually doing it. Lot easier, less brain-strain.

More smart assed comments from the gallery. It's nice to know that you know me better than myself. You assume I don't do anything, when in fact I do.

Anyhow, I didn't mean to turn this into a religious discussion. I agree that organised religion is a part of the cause, but I don't believe it is the one and only root cause.

What about some of my other questions, such as.....

Why do you think we are in Iraq? Why should the politicians need to lie to us if their motives were genuinely good? How has the ability to sneak and peak in American homes (read Patriot Act) helped in the war on terror? How has classifying civil protest groups as domestic terrorist groups helped? How has the reclassification of what constitutes torture helped? Why would they include a section immuning themselves from prosecution concerning torture unless they were afraid of being prosecuted?

[albed]

Originally Posted by vernarial

Why do you think we are in Iraq?

Again with the "we". I feel safe in assuming that "you" are not in Iraq and know for certain that I am not and can't help but think that you are a complete imbecile for not comprehending even that simple fact. And there's no sense in telling a complete imbecile anything.

[Necrodancer]

Originally Posted by vernarial

Why do you think we are in Iraq?

Bush laid out the reasoning in his 2003 SotU speech. read up.

Why should the politicians need to lie to us if their motives were genuinely good?

Faulty intel = LIE!

How has the ability to sneak and peak in American homes (read Patriot Act) helped in the war on terror?

Can you offer proof that it hasn't?

How has classifying civil protest groups as domestic terrorist groups helped?

Please provide some examples.

How has the reclassification of what constitutes torture helped?

Sure. Barking dogs and loud music are not torture and should never be classified as such. A guy in NY can be picked up for selling a dime bag, the police can yell in his face and tell him he's going to jail, and they are perfectly within the law in doing so. If that was done to an enemy combatant that would be termed torture. Something is obviously wrong there and needed to be fixed.

Why would they include a section immuning themselves from prosecution concerning torture unless they were afraid of being prosecuted?

Because foreign nations (read: EUROPE) are pussified appeasement specialists and deem harsh words yelled at a detainee to be cruel and unusual torture.

[legion]

Thank gawd here we have another idiot, not hindered by any knowledge what so ever thank you so very much, who thinks of himself a specialist on how we europeans think?

Please explain to this dutchy how i think? Last time i checked we are still situated on the european continent

[Necrodancer]

Originally Posted by legion

Thank gawd here we have another idiot, not hindered by any knowledge what so ever thank you so very much, who thinks of himself a specialist on how we europeans think?

Please explain to this dutchy how i think? Last time i checked we are still situated on the european continent

I can only go on the info I have, such as Belguim and their kooky "universal jurisdiction" going after Tommy Franks, or German yahoos wanting to prosecute Rumsfeld. You guys whine and seethe over the "atrocities" committed against terrorists.

ergo, appeasement specialists.

[legion]

So Belgium and Germany is Europe? That is as dumb as saying that, insert two states here, make up for the entire U.S.A.

But let me guess, you get your info from the mainstream media mainly Fox right?

I have posted this before but here, just for you.

fox is not fair and balanced on the right of that page click "Bekijk hier de uitzending OUTFOXED" a annoying 1 minute dutch intro and some pesky dutch subtitles but you will be able to figure out what it is all about.

and here also posted earlier. I can not even begin to express how proud you must be with place 53 right along such great democraties like Tonga, Croatia and Botswana. 8 places below Mozambique. 12 places below El Salvador.

If this is the freedom you are trying to spread around the world, than by all means KEEP IT!

[Necrodancer]

I don't even watch Fox you twit.

Good kneejerk reaction though, totally typical of your type.

[vernarial]

Originally Posted by albed

Again with the "we". I feel safe in assuming that "you" are not in Iraq and know for certain that I am not and can't help but think that you are a complete imbecile for not comprehending even that simple fact. And there's no sense in telling a complete imbecile anything.

No but my brother and 2 of my close cousins are in Iraq. I'm sorry if I over generalised. I mean military personel of the USA and of course citizens of Iraq. Military personel to be specific. I mean we as in Everyone in the USA because we can only blame it on ourselves for allowing it to happen. I am included. I was all for the war when it began, but I can admit my mistakes. I trusted my leaders and they lied to me.

Whether you think I am an imbecile or not is up to you. And yet you continue to answer with only smart assed(well maybe dumb assed) comments to my inquiries. At least Necrodancer takes the time to refute my argument and maybe change my opinion.
These are in response to Necrodancers answer to my questions.

On question 1 I don't believe Bush or anything he says, but I will look into it more.

On question 2 I would have to disagree. Are you telling me that they didn't lie?

On question 3 I have heard of several instances where the "sneak and peek" tactics have been used against regular american citizens. Here is an old, but pertinent article about the subject. http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20030...0549-8745r.htm
Pretty much they can come into your house and take any info without letting anyone know. They can also get info from others concerning you(or I) and if they tell you(or I) that the government is looking up on you(or I) they can be charged and imprisoned. That is the truth. Read the Patriot Act.

#4. Look at the FBI screwing with Martin Luther King. Yeah, that was a long time ago, but do you really think they have changed all that much? PETA is on the list of domestic terrorists. That is People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/19/dom...ism/index.html

#5

Sure. Barking dogs and loud music are not torture and should never be classified as such. A guy in NY can be picked up for selling a dime bag, the police can yell in his face and tell him he's going to jail, and they are perfectly within the law in doing so. If that was done to an enemy combatant that would be termed torture. Something is obviously wrong there and needed to be fixed.

I agree. But we don't need to rule out the Geneva Convention. We should still treat other humans in a humane way. How we would like our brothers in arms to be treated in a war.

#6

Because foreign nations (read: EUROPE) are pussified appeasement specialists and deem harsh words yelled at a detainee to be cruel and unusual torture.

Well that is your point of view. I personally think that pre-emptive war is tantamount to a war crime. It is attacking someone without provocation. Now I admit that before the war with Iraq I was a proponent. I thought of it as seeing a bully coming at you with a knife. You don't wait for the bully to stab you. You defend yourself. Now I see the error of my ways(or the lies of the politicians). It could be like telling your kid on the playground to kick a smaller kids butt because you think that kid might grow up to be a bigger kid and a bigger bully.
I see the lies I was told by my government to excuse the war. I wasn't told the truth. I will give any yahoo off the street a chance, but if he lies to me(and gets a bunch of my compatriots killed) I have a hard time believing anything they say. Especially when it seems they are trying to cover their tracks. I can see why the Europeans or any others would want to try Bush or his cronies in a court of law. You don't seriously think they added the new Torture immunity because they were worried about Europe do you? I'm sure Bush could live comfortably in Crawford for the rest of his days.

OK I'm done for now.

[legion]

Twit? why thank you, you vapid fucknut.
I never claimed you did watch Fox. I said:"let me GUESS" but i understand that the word guess must be a difficult one for you. I mean english is only your first language.
And did you see that question mark at the end of that sentence? Probably not but take a closer look I was actually asking a question.

Typical of my type. I will consider that a compliment.
Twice now you claim to know how I, or other Europeans, think based on the gas you blow out of your ass. When are you going to astound us with some FACTS on how we think? <--- Hint, that is a question!

It is so funny that twice in a row now, you rip my posts totally out of context yet are able to debunk yourself. Albed is that you?