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Old 17-06-04, 11:13 AM   #181
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Syntaxe: I have added your key. Make sure you have installed my key (below) and then try to connect.

Centauri (above post) reported that version 1.5b2 of waste has a incompatibility with waste versions others on the mesh are using. You probably will not be able to use that version on the zer0share mesh.

The situation with the NAT probably means you will be unable to accept incoming connections. You should still be able to join the mesh and download files.

You selected a non-default key length of 4096 bits, which is larger than the default 1536 bits. This will work, but depending on various factors you may experience degraded performance with this larger key size.

Here is my key and the other info:

WASTE_PUBLIC_KEY 20 1536 drak@zeroshare
AD849A75746B3D9D917356B0C6968A9096B7359E27E49E7110DD76EF702F
915452796B8B694DB92F282326463CD991D48EE7750C19DDE30AF915A85C
7692BAF43E665FF806319A86ED1AC5E395917F81A4772FE85D083B9B900E
08F71C0A9A2833BCA09EA3E6F34117145470E939861A1A5E578F5C9A871C
82D3AC3FC69458F992C52E98EE76A09919E32800E1A67299A7B9849187AC
5A139CE0AD210FE7663E16F4A9E9CF71FD341BB0BE20DFDDA292FFA52B92
1E43EBDF4202A94EB50E3F8F0003010001
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Network Name:
zer0share

Listen on Port:
11150

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zeroshare.drakonix.org

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Old 17-06-04, 08:13 PM   #182
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Thanks, i added your key, and i saw i already imported it although it was already imported from the keys database from:

http://snow.prohosting.com/cycent/zer0/keys.pl

Still unable to get on the network, BTW is it "Zer0share" or "zer0share" as you wrote?

Thanks for all

PS: i may PM may NAT and internal IPs if it is usefull, thought my NAT is already known now
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Old 18-06-04, 12:33 AM   #183
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Hi, I've just added your key to the database as well.

The network name is just zer0share
All nice and lowercase
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Old 18-06-04, 09:06 AM   #184
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Default WASTE 1.5 is a manadtory upgrade

Unfortunatly WASTE 1.5 looks like a manadatory upgrade as it fixes a few security holes in WASTE .One major vunerability Waste was able to be crashed by a annoymous user and this has now been fixed in 1.5 and now older clients cannot connect to WASTE 1.5 .

From the change log for WASTE 1.5 Alpha 1
• Although the inner protocol is compatible to older clients, I have made them incompatible by forcing another sync sequence. Because older clients have security issues this step is really needed.

Also WASTE 2 will not be compatible anyway so best to upgrade now .

WASTE 1.5 offers alot of improvments also like better DNS Redirection ,Resume downloads and the new "Stealth mode" go look at the change log to see them all.
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Old 18-06-04, 09:14 AM   #185
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let me just make a brief and personal observation. the farther i get from justin frankel's client the less comfortable i become. i'm using v1.0 and will continue for the time being. while i certainly appreciate the work being put into the offshoot versions - deliberately orphaning frankel's work is overkill.

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Old 18-06-04, 08:20 PM   #186
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WASTE_PUBLIC_KEY 20 1536 kingkakdw
F7FDE04993C90658951D6E52C9F49B20817E339F1487EBC26B3D0C92FA49
D645FE5934B95731159303164883C62B81F2BE753B2F96EE1DAE6502D795
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5B779CB5DEB391CE0CAB475FCA16A0E0F4130BA8E2C6C1A1CCD31D96C0B8
A73D3D7F0B35B716E92AED147D023EEE8F24E9D7E7755BEA547B473099E1
F71B69FCBCDE0853F8BF4BCFA21ED8325FDBBC5901E5A62552845C2DF9C7
25E7BEF3642B8C420291E7550003010001
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Old 18-06-04, 11:29 PM   #187
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welcome to nu kingkakdw. you're added.

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Old 19-06-04, 04:34 AM   #188
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deliberately orphaning frankel's work is overkill.
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I can see where youre coming from, but wasnt it you who also said "Developers may find it useful for new projects and to test newer versions of Waste"?
It is a bit hard to test when the (newer) network isnt there :P
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Old 19-06-04, 07:10 AM   #189
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Now the exploits in WASTE are being documented it is only a matter of time before a hostile party or malicious user comprimises any WASTE clients older than 1.5 so you are in effect creating a insecure "secure" network and leaving others and yourself on your meshes open to DOS attacks and other vunerabilities .One of the reasons Justin released the code as GPL is so people would develop it . If he didnt want it developed he wouldnt of released the source code .There are alot of Justins code including Nullsoft projects that are closed source .
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Old 19-06-04, 10:46 AM   #190
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WASTE_PUBLIC_KEY 20 1536 gyromind
E44BA096E998B51B1A35E2EC69143338737DE715B7D000F94364F32F5CA1
3EF54580A00D51B54E6071008AC6F980B28645B97C415447A1C07789179C
F8177C497F832FF3E6B90AC4646423CEB9D52F06078A24B5750522B355BD
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224FE85F43B4D580F18A8C47EC431D46311BC231388F70D0D879645FC726
E63CE28CB2DEB6D4BC5BAD8605BAC2BFA88B83793EA4AD1FA4465EAFB3BB
99ACA2D7AD28CC47BCCC4FE70003010001
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What IP address do I use to connect when I get accepted?
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Old 19-06-04, 10:54 AM   #191
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What IP address do I use to connect when I get accepted?
you''ve been added gyromind. welcome to p2p-zone and zer0share. pm me using this board's pm functions for IP details - or use skype to talk to me directly.

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Old 19-06-04, 11:23 AM   #192
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I can see where youre coming from, but wasnt it you who also said "Developers may find it useful for new projects and to test newer versions of Waste"?
It is a bit hard to test when the (newer) network isnt there :P
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Now the exploits in WASTE are being documented it is only a matter of time before a hostile party or malicious user comprimises any WASTE clients older than 1.5 so you are in effect creating a insecure "secure" network and leaving others and yourself on your meshes open to DOS attacks and other vunerabilities .One of the reasons Justin released the code as GPL is so people would develop it . If he didnt want it developed he wouldnt of released the source code .There are alot of Justins code including Nullsoft projects that are closed source .

I’m happy development continues in the open source communities but I’m withholding judgment on the validity of shutting down access to previous clients. If people want to choose different versions promoted by different groups that are not backwards compatible – or even parallel compatible – they’re free to do so naturally. Meshes after all are so small that a few dozen people taking themselves out of action will have no effect on the overall system. The recent merwin network for example, called by some “nullsoft” is now fully migrated to the latest sourceforge protocol and no longer exists as an original WASTE group. It vanished from the last legacy clients yesterday afternoon at 4 PM. At its peak a few months back I counted slightly more than 50 simultaneous users but like the lifecycle of most meshes it had been in steady decline for some time (people meet, hook up and leave to start their own) so while losing it to v1.5 Beta 2 wasn’t a happy occurrence it wasn’t a tragedy either.

The problem I have with this is practical certainly, but right at the moment it’s more philosophical in nature. By balkanizing an already balkanized community and by encouraging developers to create clients that only connect to themselves we run the risk of creating yet another incompatibility boondoggle like VHS vs. Beta, ACC vs. WMA and so on. It’s been difficult enough getting people comfortable with the concept of WASTE without having to sit down and explain the competing security claims of one group’s clients vs. another’s every few months. I’m not sure I’m even comfortable calling this new version WASTE. Yes it contains some of Justin’s code but it appears from the credits at least Frankel didn’t work on it. It doesn’t say he did plus he’s not in the habit of orphaning his previous work. If at some point he jumps back into the development fray his “authorized” versions may have little in common with sourceforge’s, creating further issues.

For the most part I’m not looking down at my feet wondering if my laces are tied, I’m trying to see over the hill into the next county. This is not an issue that needs to be solved today. It’s just one that should be thought about. It may help to remember that no client will be completely secure, not even this latest attempt to redress the faults of v.1. To split the community over alleged security faults and guaranteed fixes is to akin to splitting the church over how many angels can dance on a pin. It’s unnecessary – sure the answers may be different but they might be equally valid. To engage the community with chants of “my v. is better than your v.” is to fall into the trap of diminishing returns and increasing fractionalization with little to show in the way of actual net benefits.

Indeed, "Developers may find it useful to test newer versions of Waste,” and I’m glad they are, I’m pro-development - but zer0share was not intended to be dismantled every 90 days by trendy new clients.

The best way to handle this or any dispute is by inclusion. To bring all members of the community together into the standards dialog who wish to participate and to avoid as much as possible development teams creating exclusive & incompatible products for whatever reason. Waste is open source and that means everyone is free to decide and create – not just the people at sourceforge. That’s a good thing in theory and it’s important for the future. We’ve seen what can happen in practical terms when the conversation is dominated by intransigence and stubbornness sets in, because we know about that previous Justin Frankel system called Gnutella and how it’s played out since the source code was released. Disastrously in my opinion. We should do everything necessary to avoid another “Bearshare vs. the World” with WASTE (keep in mind I’m not accusing anyone of such behavior).

What I’m advocating ultimately is this: Continue development, make WASTE as good as it can be, make it easy to use, secure and attractive. Bring people in. But by all means keep it as compatible and as free of personal competition and politics as possible. Even if that means certain compromises must be made on the path to theoretical perfection.

The most important part of WASTE won’t be discovered in the code, it’ll be found in the community.

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Old 19-06-04, 04:34 PM   #193
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i can see reasons for not making it compatible with the original release..

as has been the problem with protocol changes in clients before
having one old client in an environment of new client will make it a weak link and be the hole where the whole network can be brought down..

i have known about the spoofing peoples nicks and being a third party in any private discussions they might be having.... but havent mentioned it anyone or talked about it publicly because its a pretty malicious idea...(in a trusted group you shouldnt need to worry about this..but all the same ..)
this needs to be fixed..and the new client encouraged to be taken up in all established meshes..

i have dicussed this with a few waste users and have come to the conclusion the upgrade would be an easy process (just make sure you mesh isnt called default in your profile manager)

sorry jack, but you have done your best to dicourage people from trying the new clients ever since wasted came out..i can understand a certain loyalty to the first release ..but really there is a few gaping holes there that need patching ...i would seriously suggest once the SF releasers get 1.5 out of beta all meshes upgrade...

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Old 21-06-04, 08:21 AM   #194
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Hi i am new here glad to see the p2p community is coming back together that emule just sucks ass tbh

I have be around most of the p2p programs and have gotten many files that i share so others can get, manys on disk the now so ill have to wait till i get a new hdd so i can share more

Ive been using winmx again as after 2 years they have released a new beta version which runs well, if u just go to the news tab in www.winmx.com ull see there new one to dl anyways enuff of my rambling, ive got the key just below if someone can add me that would be grand.


WASTE_PUBLIC_KEY 20 1536 fennikishu
C6C4FE80D278782CFF94BA510CF3A44661F09ECA9CA0128E39CA9F3DF09A
FE481E65486E4D2BEA500BD85CA0114F00F843C46E23722DA8E8D9FC3A17
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ED302EAB432802745F5E50038990728E710CB5A7AD3ED8B9811954978A0B
BCA01996019AB8638FF48C8B0003010001
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This is a new idea and if its more secure i like that :}

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Old 21-06-04, 11:39 AM   #195
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key added.

thanks for your interest in zer0share fennikishu & welcome to the p2p-zone!

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Old 21-06-04, 02:57 PM   #196
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I have be around most of the p2p programs and have gotten many files that i share
hi and welcome..




i dont know if you realised it but..
this mesh is for sharing public domain content...
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Old 26-06-04, 11:18 AM   #197
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I'm new here and just found out about WASTE. Here's my public key. You just need to add me right, so I can connect?

WASTE_PUBLIC_KEY 20 1536 scoresby
E5D2C3E7D860DC91481A49FE5F801FDF927E592317E88F7705A5D122EDB9
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Old 26-06-04, 03:27 PM   #198
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I'm new here and just found out about WASTE. Here's my public key. You just need to add me right, so I can connect?
welcome scoresby, i'm glad you discovered us. as long as you've configured the client properly, and you're using an original version you should be able to connect. under file | preferences | "network" check listen on port and enter 11150, and for "network name" enter zer0share as written. if you find yourself unable to enter the mesh call me on skype and i'll walk you in - username jackspratts. (www.skype.com/download)

see you soon.

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Old 27-06-04, 07:08 AM   #199
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oh what the hell ....... here it is


WASTE_PUBLIC_KEY 20 1536 Legion
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303BF300DDBDEDCA24F87EF248FAFE9B000AE39ACD2CF542E334F93AC2E3
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