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06-11-02, 06:21 PM | #1 |
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BMG: "There will be no cd manufactured without copyprotection any more."
They are going to do it!
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/27960.html So, need a good CD-RW (Plextor, Teac?, some LGs) and CloneCD for Windows or just the default cdparanoia witch comes with your Linux distro - keep sharing folks Still, they make me angry - SABOTAGE BMG! - I say
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06-11-02, 09:35 PM | #3 |
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even if copy protected cds get better - and they will - i foresee relatively inexpensive analog to digital sound converters popping up all over the place, perhaps incorporated into the sound cards themselves that back feed to hard drives, and in so doing negate all cd based copy protection schemes.
it won't be stopped. sure a country can make it illegal but that just moves it underground and across the borders and creates a serious advantage in technology for the countries where development continues. - js. |
06-11-02, 10:05 PM | #4 |
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If you can hear it, you can rip it
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07-11-02, 08:31 AM | #5 | |||||
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WARNING! Long post ....
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Access to information, the free flow of information is the basis of a democratic society, yet right now, I (and EU citizens) have access to information US citizens don't: Quote:
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You may wonder why I wrote this apology... I often find myself defending my choice of using linux, which is amusing to some extent, since I never flamed someone for using Windows - not becuase I'm diplomatic, but because its all about choice - and the freedom of choice has a higher priority to me than pushing "linux for everyone". And I only tried to convince those people to try it out, who already use Windows in linux fashion - editing registry and ini files to tweak it. In fact, I know that my roommate never did, and perhaps never will do such things, yet he became interested in linux (his desk is near mine) : it was me who told him: I'm not sure that it is a good choice for you, but OK, read this manual (100 pages with lots of pictures, beginning with "how to use the mouse") and if you are still interested, I'll do what I can to help you. Of course, he never read that (its a 2 hours read), so we let the matter to rest. Now the reason for this long linux/windows rant: I wanted to prove how the DoJ settlement is bad for EVERYONE. It is yet another nail in the coffin of free competition in US. You use XP? You like it? Then it is in your interest as is in mine to have a good competition on the desktop market - it would drive microsoft to compete on the quality of its software - since it cannot compete on prices with Linux. Linux just reached a 4,9% share on the desktop market, and Microsoft chief executive Steve Ballmer already made an announcment of Microsoft's doubling its efforts to improve its products. The bigger the competition, the better Windows will become ... Quote:
Although most the reception of the DoJ settlement was pessimistic (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/35/27950.html) , there is an interesting article of how Microsoft might have won this fight but might loose the battle on the long run. If you are interested, read this article: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/27921.html Bye.
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07-11-02, 10:53 AM | #6 |
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You call that a long post? I've read rants that went on for ten pages (though they didn't make as much sense as you do, smokey). Good read.
I think all you said applies directly to CD protection. They have every right to do it, since it's their own product. And consumers have every right to deprotect their own CD's too, no matter what the DMCA tells them. Most people will go on buying the protected CD's and never care that they're copy protected. But the people on the fringe will bypass every countermeasure the record industry throws at them. The battle will become more and more obscure as CD's become more and more mutated. Eventually every copy protected CD will be required to carry a warning label, and after that Phillips will force them to remove the 'Compact Disk Digital Audio' label. At that point it will harm sales, and as other mediums like DVD Audio take hold people won't even buy the copy protected CD's anymore. (Maybe it's an elaborate ploy to make people buy DVD Audio players, but probably not.) At any rate, CD's are becoming more obsolete as time passes, and the industry is making it happen faster. This is one technology that won't be pushed underground and across borders, for once it gets there the people there will reject it as inferior. In a short while the companies producing protected CD's will be as few as the people hacking them. CD's were supposed to be a great technological jump forward when they first appeared, but decades from now they will be looked at as a failed experement that somehow managed to last a quarter century. Centuries from now archaeologists will discover landfills filled with billions of junk disks and look at them as evidence of our primative civilization. Heh, that's the legacy the record industry is leaving us with. |
07-11-02, 11:04 AM | #7 |
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i use linux and xp and will probably put 98 back in one day but linux is rapidly becoming my favorite...
thx for the tip on cdparanoia and thx for the rant wich as always has been quite enlightening... the person i share a house with (he's the real linux tweeker around here )made a nifty little shell script for burning cd's i just wonder how i could get him to fit cdparanoia into it... edit to say he forgot that he has a script already with it...but its just for music cd's...wich leads me to ask is there a linux tool/app like clonecd that rips the subchannel data on data cd's? or can cdparanoia do this with the right switches? things that initialy seem quite a hassel compared to windows end up being quite simplistic use of command line and text file manipulation.....for example.....scheduled tasks in .cron hourly/daily..ect compared to that annoying taskbar resident in windows try start a Konsole session [user@linux]$ apropos man|more and scoll thru the list (if you have time) i find one thing leads to another..and pretty soon you are hooked i still like to keep my hand in with windows too ,and totally overload my brain with too much info...silly me all i can say is keep all of your options openfolks....(scuse the pun) Last edited by multi : 07-11-02 at 11:59 AM. |
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Keep on posting. I'm guilty of posting long, rambling and sometimes well-organised comments, so I appreciate a fellow forum muso! Fair-use protection is such a joke! |
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I do agree with you that that doesn't make the software immune from legal challenges. However once it's released it's very difficult to prevent further distribution. I think that's what S2m was implying. |
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