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rebel_mom · 15-04-01, 01:23 PM

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE EDMONTON BEAT DALLAS AS WELL

HellBound · 15-04-01, 01:24 PM

For those that didnt follow the link in malk's post...here is something i copied from the link.

"Right now, the "voice of the people" is assumed to be the news media. American media is corporate -- that is, all major organs of media are corporations, without exception. Corporations, as seen above, will always privilege capital over all else, since it is the only way they can continue to exist. Therefore, media is in fact not the voice of the people at all, but the voice of corporate reality. Corporate media speaks to you, not for you, and cannot be trusted to reflect the views of humans. Instead, it is the organ with which corporations will continue to recreate the reality that allows them to exist at our expense.

This, finally, is why community matters. The only potential way out of this mousetrap we've created for ourselves is to actually speak directly to each other. Town meetings, open hearings, internet communities, places where people may actually speak as human individuals to other human individuals; these are the only places that we may examine what we have decided will be our reality, and the only places we may possibly decide to change that reality."

HellBound

rebel_mom · 15-04-01, 01:26 PM

Hellbound may I be so bold as to ask if you are a male or a female?

You have a full plate being a parent alone is tough

What other type of boards are you involved with?

EDIT:NEVER MIND THE FIRST ???????IF I READ YOUR SIG I WOULD HAVE KNOWN

HellBound · 15-04-01, 01:29 PM

my signature says it.....

I belong to Nusounds (all about music) and Audiognome (help forum for aG) boards.

HellBound

rebel_mom · 15-04-01, 01:35 PM

Yes I saw that after I posted and I am always on to my kids to pay attention.......guess I need to as well

Pleased to meet you

R_M

relic · 15-04-01, 02:00 PM

Probably against greedy's will...I will not post any of personal beliefs in this thread. Just wanted to --->

*waves to HellBound*

very interesting stuff being said here though. kind of funny how hellbound specifically said she didn't want to discuss and have a debate on religious type stuff, but nonetheless, it turned out to be that way in a couple of posts.

HellBound · 15-04-01, 02:05 PM

waves back at aaacbada...

How are you enjoying the weather?

HellBound

greedy_lars · 15-04-01, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by aaacbada
Probably against greedy's will...

rotflmao

relic · 15-04-01, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HellBound
waves back at aaacbada...

How are you enjoying the weather?

HellBound

pretty nice day today...little breezy though here in lincoln. and it looks like this type of weather is going to be sticking around here for awhile, kind of seems like spring has finally shown it's face here in nebraska (well at least in the eastern half...)how about you?

ps...might do some fishing today or go play some outdoor volleyball

HellBound · 15-04-01, 02:20 PM

love the weather...the furnace is off...the windows are open...and i am enjoying the fresh air.

HellBound

Dawn · 15-04-01, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HellBound
love the weather...the furnace is off...the windows are open...and i am enjoying the fresh air.

HellBound

Where you at girl?? Here in Michigan, we arent near there yet!!

HellBound · 15-04-01, 03:01 PM

the land of the huskers.

HellBound

relic · 15-04-01, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HellBound
the land of the huskers.

HellBound

where there is more corn than people

this place isn't too bad, just needs some better fishing lakes and streams

rebel_mom · 15-04-01, 03:19 PM

was warm here yesterday but a definate nip in the air today......

but no need for the furnace and the kids don't ever feel the cold..........

I am not knowledgable tho on where the land of corn is.........care to tell me

?

relic · 15-04-01, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rebel_mom
was warm here yesterday but a definate nip in the air today......

but no need for the furnace and the kids don't ever feel the cold..........

I am not knowledgable tho on where the land of corn is.........care to tell me?

there is no place like nebraska. now whether or not that is a good thing or a bad thing is up to you. I personally don't mind living in nebraska that much, except we need better fishing areas. We are the same distance from either coast so that's a plus

. We have the sandhills in western nebraska which are fun to visit since barely anyone lives out there...very peacful.

But if I lived in my dream place I would be in Canada...preferably the west coast...very pretty there

rebel_mom · 15-04-01, 04:01 PM

That is where i ma from the good ole CANADA......southern Ontario and it really is beautiful
already been kayaking this year but the river is very high now so not safe

Catbert13 · 15-04-01, 04:07 PM

I'm from where there are more Hicks than people....

greedy_lars · 15-04-01, 04:08 PM

i think the attn slipped malk, they been discussing regional differances for several posts now......hahahahhhahahh

cloudy and cool in portland oregon

ahhahhahahh

HellBound · 15-04-01, 06:08 PM

to bring the attention back to malks post....here is the last few paragraphs from that link....

"To take one example which is already happening: Peer-to-peer file sharing. The essence of P2P is the fact that large numbers of individuals have decided that their reality does not recognize the so-called "right" for corporations to own the files on their computer. Swapping MP3s, in their view, is not "stealing" because those who share their files don't consider themselves to be gaining or losing property. That is, they are challenging the assumption that music is an object that can be owned, by an artist, a record company, or indeed anyone. The socially constructed nature of this phenomenon is very evident in this case, as the record companies struggle to define file sharing as "piracy," while file-sharers counter that it is "fair use." Both of these terms are social constructs -- one defines the act as "wrong," the other as "acceptable." The battle is over whose reality will ultimately be stronger and become true.

What's striking about this struggle is that it is one of the few open battles directly waged by people against corporations. Few voices in corporate media have come out in defense of file-sharing, while the unfiltered voices of individuals have loudly and repeatedly, if not often eloquently, defended it. This is possibly the first time the internet has served as a means for individuals to attempt to change a basic social reality which was previously held to be unquestionably true.

What other "truths" do we hold to be self-evident? Which of them do we privilege over the lives of other humans, over even our own lives? Which of your opinions determines the reality in which you live, and from where did you derive that opinion? Are we, as a species, satisfied with the reality we've constructed for ourselves? It is only by asking and truthfully answering these questions, like Jefferson did, that we can begin to reassert control over the basic facts of our existence. Community matters because communities are people, and people create reality. What world do you want to create?"

this sentence pretty much says it all.....

The battle is over whose reality will ultimately be stronger and become true.

HellBound

rebel_mom · 15-04-01, 06:21 PM

Good one Hellbound.....

Sorry Malk for going off topic

15-04-01, 01:24 PM	#42
HellBound 99 Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 1,506	For those that didnt follow the link in malk's post...here is something i copied from the link. "Right now, the "voice of the people" is assumed to be the news media. American media is corporate -- that is, all major organs of media are corporations, without exception. Corporations, as seen above, will always privilege capital over all else, since it is the only way they can continue to exist. Therefore, media is in fact not the voice of the people at all, but the voice of corporate reality. Corporate media speaks to you, not for you, and cannot be trusted to reflect the views of humans. Instead, it is the organ with which corporations will continue to recreate the reality that allows them to exist at our expense. This, finally, is why community matters. The only potential way out of this mousetrap we've created for ourselves is to actually speak directly to each other. Town meetings, open hearings, internet communities, places where people may actually speak as human individuals to other human individuals; these are the only places that we may examine what we have decided will be our reality, and the only places we may possibly decide to change that reality." HellBound __________________ I am living my life in such a way that when my feet hit the floor in the morning, Satan shudders and says, "Oh Shit, She's Awake!!"

15-04-01, 01:26 PM	#43
rebel_mom who's line is it anyways? Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 2,656	Hellbound may I be so bold as to ask if you are a male or a female? You have a full plate being a parent alone is tough What other type of boards are you involved with? EDIT:NEVER MIND THE FIRST ???????IF I READ YOUR SIG I WOULD HAVE KNOWN Last edited by rebel_mom : 15-04-01 at 01:28 PM.

15-04-01, 01:29 PM	#44
HellBound 99 Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 1,506	my signature says it..... I belong to Nusounds (all about music) and Audiognome (help forum for aG) boards. HellBound __________________ I am living my life in such a way that when my feet hit the floor in the morning, Satan shudders and says, "Oh Shit, She's Awake!!"

15-04-01, 01:35 PM	#45
rebel_mom who's line is it anyways? Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 2,656	Yes I saw that after I posted and I am always on to my kids to pay attention.......guess I need to as well Pleased to meet youR_M

15-04-01, 02:05 PM	#47
HellBound 99 Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 1,506	waves back at aaacbada... How are you enjoying the weather? HellBound __________________ I am living my life in such a way that when my feet hit the floor in the morning, Satan shudders and says, "Oh Shit, She's Awake!!"

15-04-01, 01:23 PM	#41
rebel_mom who's line is it anyways? Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 2,656	I WOULD LIKE TO SEE EDMONTON BEAT DALLAS AS WELL

15-04-01, 02:00 PM	#46
relic gone for good Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 2,271	Probably against greedy's will...I will not post any of personal beliefs in this thread. Just wanted to ---> waves to HellBound very interesting stuff being said here though. kind of funny how hellbound specifically said she didn't want to discuss and have a debate on religious type stuff, but nonetheless, it turned out to be that way in a couple of posts.

15-04-01, 02:20 PM	#50
HellBound 99 Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 1,506	love the weather...the furnace is off...the windows are open...and i am enjoying the fresh air. HellBound __________________ I am living my life in such a way that when my feet hit the floor in the morning, Satan shudders and says, "Oh Shit, She's Awake!!"

15-04-01, 03:01 PM	#52
HellBound 99 Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 1,506	the land of the huskers. HellBound __________________ I am living my life in such a way that when my feet hit the floor in the morning, Satan shudders and says, "Oh Shit, She's Awake!!"

15-04-01, 03:19 PM	#54
rebel_mom who's line is it anyways? Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 2,656	was warm here yesterday but a definate nip in the air today...... but no need for the furnace and the kids don't ever feel the cold.......... I am not knowledgable tho on where the land of corn is.........care to tell me?

15-04-01, 04:01 PM	#56
rebel_mom who's line is it anyways? Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 2,656	That is where i ma from the good ole CANADA......southern Ontario and it really is beautiful already been kayaking this year but the river is very high now so not safe

15-04-01, 04:07 PM	#57
Catbert13 Necromancer Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: In An Underground Bunker Posts: 2,425	I'm from where there are more Hicks than people.... Last edited by Catbert13 : 15-04-01 at 04:08 PM.

15-04-01, 04:08 PM	#58
greedy_lars everything you do Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: wlll come back around to you Posts: 3,982	i think the attn slipped malk, they been discussing regional differances for several posts now......hahahahhhahahh cloudy and cool in portland oregon ahhahhahahh Last edited by greedy_lars : 15-04-01 at 04:09 PM.

15-04-01, 06:08 PM	#59
HellBound 99 Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 1,506	to bring the attention back to malks post....here is the last few paragraphs from that link.... "To take one example which is already happening: Peer-to-peer file sharing. The essence of P2P is the fact that large numbers of individuals have decided that their reality does not recognize the so-called "right" for corporations to own the files on their computer. Swapping MP3s, in their view, is not "stealing" because those who share their files don't consider themselves to be gaining or losing property. That is, they are challenging the assumption that music is an object that can be owned, by an artist, a record company, or indeed anyone. The socially constructed nature of this phenomenon is very evident in this case, as the record companies struggle to define file sharing as "piracy," while file-sharers counter that it is "fair use." Both of these terms are social constructs -- one defines the act as "wrong," the other as "acceptable." The battle is over whose reality will ultimately be stronger and become true. What's striking about this struggle is that it is one of the few open battles directly waged by people against corporations. Few voices in corporate media have come out in defense of file-sharing, while the unfiltered voices of individuals have loudly and repeatedly, if not often eloquently, defended it. This is possibly the first time the internet has served as a means for individuals to attempt to change a basic social reality which was previously held to be unquestionably true. What other "truths" do we hold to be self-evident? Which of them do we privilege over the lives of other humans, over even our own lives? Which of your opinions determines the reality in which you live, and from where did you derive that opinion? Are we, as a species, satisfied with the reality we've constructed for ourselves? It is only by asking and truthfully answering these questions, like Jefferson did, that we can begin to reassert control over the basic facts of our existence. Community matters because communities are people, and people create reality. What world do you want to create?" this sentence pretty much says it all..... The battle is over whose reality will ultimately be stronger and become true. HellBound __________________ I am living my life in such a way that when my feet hit the floor in the morning, Satan shudders and says, "Oh Shit, She's Awake!!"

15-04-01, 06:21 PM	#60
rebel_mom who's line is it anyways? Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 2,656	Good one Hellbound..... Sorry Malk for going off topic

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