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Old 30-04-04, 03:14 AM   #1
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IRAQ PRISONERS 'TORTURED'
America's senior general in Baghdad has denounced US troops accused of torturing Iraqi prisoners.

Seventeen soldiers have been suspended, including one senior officer, with six facing Courts Martial.

The soldiers at a prison outside Baghdad were accused of forcing Iraqi prisoners into acts of sexual humiliation and other abuses.

The charges, first announced by the military in March, were documented by photographs taken by guards in the prison.

Brigadier General Mark Kimmet is appealing to the American people to keep faith with their troops in Iraq.

Some of the photographs, and descriptions of others, were broadcast in the US on Wednesday by a CBS television news programme and were verified by military officials.

One shows a hooded prisoner standing on a box. Wires were attached to him and he was told that if he fell off the box he would be electrocuted.

"The pictures show Americans, men and women, in military uniforms, posing with naked Iraqi prisoners," the programme said.

"And in most of the pictures, the Americans are laughing, posing, pointing or giving the camera a thumbs-up."

But one of the soldiers accused of the abuse, insisted it was the Army's fault for not training its troops properly in how to treat prisoners.

In his diary, Staff Sergeant Ivan "Chip" Frederick said he told senior officers about conditions, but one replied: "I don't care if he has to sleep standing up."

The programme's producers said the Army also had photographs showing a detainee with wires attached to his genitals and another that showed a dog attacking a prisoner.

The photographs were taken inside Abu Ghraib prison, where US forces have been holding hundreds of Iraqis.

Brig Gen Kimmet told CBS's Dan Rather: "This is wrong and reprehensible. But it is not representative of (US) soldiers over here."
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Old 30-04-04, 06:12 AM   #2
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Old 30-04-04, 04:32 PM   #3
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The Brits are once again following America's lead. British soldiers are also under investigation for prisoner abuse in Iraq.
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Old 30-04-04, 04:50 PM   #4
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The Brits are once again following America's lead. British soldiers are also under investigation for prisoner abuse in Iraq.
No body is following no body's lead between the us and uk. They are both in the same hamper or basket. Ever since they us/uk struck oil in Iraq, they've been at it since then. It was no big choice or surprise for the uk to support 100% the iraquie war since they will benefit from it aswell.

As for the prisoners abuse, read it this morning b4 going out and trust me, no brekkie could fill my stomach after reading this totally discusting news

What truly amaze me is that it was CBS who broadcasted the news..., thought it would been snuffed out even before they would consider to air it.
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Old 30-04-04, 06:12 PM   #5
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Old 30-04-04, 06:31 PM   #6
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So i've heard.
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Old 30-04-04, 06:43 PM   #7
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Now, now.

Who was it who moved the thread?

Gaz or tg
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Old 01-05-04, 10:35 AM   #8
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SHAME OF ABUSE BY BRIT TROOPS

May 1 2004


Rogue British troops batter Iraqis in mockery of bid to win over people

By Paul Byrne


A HOODED Iraqi captive is beaten by British soldiers before being thrown from a moving truck and left to die.

The prisoner, aged 18-20, begged for mercy as he was battered with rifle butts and batons in the head and groin, was kicked, stamped and urinated on, and had a gun barrel forced into his mouth.

After an EIGHT-HOUR ordeal, he was left barely conscious and close to death. Bleeding and vomiting and with a broken jaw and missing teeth, he was driven from a Basra camp and hurled off the truck. No one knows if he lived or died.


The shocking pictures on this page were handed to us by one of the attackers and a colleague. We have agreed to protect their identities as they fear reprisals.

Last night, their damning testimony was in the hands of appalled ministers and Army chiefs who pledged an urgent investigation.

Chief of the General Staff General Sir Michael Jackson said: "If this is proven, the perpetrators are not fit to wear the Queen's uniform. They have besmirched the good name of the Army and its honour."

No 10 said: "The Prime Minister fully endorses the general's statement."

The outrage, which emerged the day after US troops were pictured torturing Iraqi prisoners of war, makes a mockery of the Army's attempts to win the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people.

Army chiefs believe it was an isolated incident involving a few rogue troops. But, it is claimed, officers turned a blind eye. One of the soldiers said: "Basically this guy was dying as he couldn't take any more. An officer came down. It was 'Get rid of him - I haven't seen him'. The paperwork gets ripped. So they threw him out, still with a bag on his head."

Weeks after the pictures were taken, a captive was allegedly beaten to death in custody by men from the same Queen's Lancashire Regiment. It is also alleged a video was found of prisoners being thrown off a bridge.

Soldier A told how the young victim was hauled in suspected of stealing from the docks.

He said: "You pick on a man and go for him. Straightaway he gets a beating, a couple of punches and kicks to put him down. Then he was dragged to the back of the vehicle."

Immediately a sandbag was placed over the man's head and his hands tied behind his back.

Soldier A said:

As we took him back he was getting a beating. He was hit with batons on the knees, fingers, toes, elbows, and head.

You normally try to leave off the face until you're in camp. If you pull up with black eyes and bleeding faces you could be in s**t.

"So it's body shots - scaring him, saying 'We're going to kill you'. A lot of them cry and p*** themselves.

Because it was so hot we put him in the back of a four- tonner truck which has a canopy over it. That's where the photos were taken. Lads were taking turns giving him a right going over, smashing him in the face with weapons and stamping on him. We had him for about eight hours.




BLEEDING: Blood seeps through the mask of battered suspect

You could see blood coming out early from the first 'digs'. He was p****d on and there was spew.

"We took his mask off to give him some water and let him have a rest for 10 minutes. He could only speak a few words, pleading 'No, mister' . No, mister'.

I did less than the others. But I joined in. Me and my mate calmed down. Then two lads come on and it starts again.

"He was missing teeth. All his mouth was bleeding and his nose was all over the place. He couldn't talk, his jaw was out. He's had a good few hours of a kicking. He was on his way to being killed. There's only so much you can take.

After the officer allegedly told the attackers to get rid of the suspect he was driven off.

Soldier A said: "The lads said they took him back to the dock and threw him off the back of a moving vehicle. They'd have freed his hands, but he'd still be hooded. He'd done nothing, really. I felt sorry for him. I'm not emotional about it, but I knew it was wrong."

Referring to the second alleged beating in custody - said to have taken place in September - Soldier B said: "It was only a matter of time.


"We had one who fought back. I thought 'Don't do that', it's the worst thing you can do. He got such a kicking. You could hear your mate's boots hitting this lad's spine.

"One of the lads broke his wrist on a prisoner's head. Another nearly broke his foot, kicking him. We're not helping ourselves out here. We're never going to get the Iraqis on our side. We're fighting a losing war."

Soldier B claimed after the alleged September beating troops were told to destroy incriminating evidence.

He said: "We got a warning, saying the Military Police had found a video of people throwing prisoners off a bridge. It wasn't 'Don't do it' or 'Stop it'. It was 'Get rid of it.' "

The death is being probed. At least one soldier is expected to be charged with manslaughter.

The two infantrymen claim abuse has started because Iraqi police are powerless to process suspects.

Soldier B said: "There's no point taking them to the police station because they're released within 20 minutes. The coppers don't want any comeback and let them go. All we do is teach them a lesson our way.

"You're knackered and you don't want to be going to a police station and doing statements, just for them to be released. Give them a kicking, then it's done and dusted.

"A lot of the younger ones are worse. It's as though they've something to prove. You've got a gun and you're the law. You can make people do whatever you want."

Both men fear the situation is worsening , with UK troops now seen as the enemy, rather than liberators.

One said: "I can't believe it has taken the Iraqis so long to fight back. If it had been me or my family, I'd have retaliated straightaway.

"They've just got f****d around so much. You can't go in now, and say 'Right, let's forget about what has happened and start again'.

"We're struggling now. There are too many people against us."

The MoD confirmed eight cases of alleged mistreatment of Iraqis by British personnel are being investigated by the army's Special Investigations Branch. A spokesman said: "All allegations will be investigated - and every soldier knows it."

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URINATED ON: A British soldier urinates on an Iraqi prisoner in a vile display of abuse. The captive was beaten and hurled from a moving truck. Army chiefs are investigating.
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GUN TO HEAD: The terrified suspect cowers as a gun is placed at his head - then the rifle barrel was forced into his mouth
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BUTT IN GROIN: A rifle is cruelly jabbed in the young man's groin as his eight-hour nightmare goes on
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This is truly sick

After the seige of falluja and this, the iraqie are bound to mistrust if not hate coalition forces.
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Old 02-05-04, 12:35 AM   #13
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i hate to be a spoilsport

but these pics can all be staged

why the hoods?

why didn't dude just unclip the wires off his hands and beat the shit out of someone or die trying?

i had friends in high school that pissed on other friends that got too drunk!!?

i might be conspiracy minded or jaded...BUT!! if i caught someone that was trying to KILL ME....i think i'd tie them up and piss on them too!!

oddly, i'm anti war in iraq or anywhere

and goddammit, that reminds me,.... i need to get gas in the morning...i'm on E!

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Old 02-05-04, 12:40 AM   #14
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BUTT IN GROIN: A rifle is cruelly jabbed in the young man's groin as his eight-hour nightmare goes on
my point....the timing of this photo was incredible (as in hardly credible)

contact with groin...no blur...action photo!? and that's a nice clean iraqi lookin t-shirt!!

looks posed to me.....could be one frame of many speed shutter shots, i guess!? ...nice wood floor, the curtains have to go though

that pic of the guy on the box just looks fake....sorry
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Old 02-05-04, 08:46 AM   #15
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No need to apologize Norm. I doubt someone would be standing while getting shock treatment.

Most of the U.S. pics look like a frat hazing but everyone's screaming torture. Sounds like propaganda to me.
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seems there is some inconsistencies in the british photos..
(no link ..something i heard briefly on a news update)

..if they are faked they have done a lot of damage still..because if even if they were proven fake..most ppl over there wouldnt believe it..
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albed, i believe the guy on the box was told if he fell off the box he would be electrocuted

i don't think he's being shocked

regardless, why two wires? one would be enough, no? what's that third loose wire hanging? why is he holding his arms out?

the whole thing looks cheesy

at least noone has used the word "atrocities" yet

i imagine Kerry will let the publy outcry dampen a bit before incorporating it into his campaign

or maybe there is the risk of appearing to be a "one trick pony"

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in the news this morning

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/...tos/index.html

i knew that shirt didn't look right
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You're quite right.

There are too many other inconsistancies.

The hat the soldier is wearing was never issued to British Soldiers in Iraq.

The uniform isn't right, there are no flashes on it, the rifle has no strap or radio button. In fact that model of rifle wasn't issued to British soldiers either. The soldier is not wearing his webbing correctly which is something even the most basic recruit has drummed into them from day one basic training, and anyone incapable of wearing the uniform correctly wasn't deployed: they are still in barracks.

The vehicle seen was never sent to Iraq at all, as it can't run on fuel available in Iraq.

If the shot taken when the "soldier" strikes the "prisoner" in the groin is allegedly after several hours of horrific abuse, then why is the shirt so clean? Don't Iraqis with busted faces bleed at all? I know when anyone gets a Saturday night smack in the face, the blood gets everywhere, especially all over the front of a nice white shirt. So why does this guy still have a clean shirt, no scraped knees and no visible bruises?

I think it's staged, and I also have my doubts about the American lot, too.

I think someone is trying to make a fast buck here.
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Here's a good way to get to the truth. Promise people money if they file claims of torture. I'm sure that'll keep 'em honest.

http://news.amnesty.org/library/Inde...pen&of=ENG-IRQ
Amnesty International is calling for investigations into alleged abuses by Coalition Forces..... In addition reparation, including compensation, must be paid to the victims or to their families.
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