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Old 04-02-04, 09:38 AM   #1
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NoSmiley WMD and terrorist connection rolled into one

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,110372,00.html

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WASHINGTON — A 7-pound block of cyanide salt (search) was discovered by U.S. troops in Baghdad at the end of January, officials confirmed to Fox News.

The potentially lethal compound was located in what was believed to be the safe house of Abu Musab Zarqawi (search), a poisons specialist described by some U.S. intelligence officials as having been a key link between deposed Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein and the Al Qaeda (search) terror network.

Cyanides salts are extremely toxic. According to the U.S. Department of Energy's Ames Laboratory, exposure to even a small amount through contact or inhalation can cause immediate death.

Zarqawi, believed to have been operating in Iraq before March's invasion, was still being sought by coalition forces. It was not clear if anyone had been apprehended in connection with last month's find.

Early last year, U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell (search) detailed Zarqawi's significance in an appearance before the U.N. Security Council.

"Iraq today harbors a deadly terrorist network headed by Abu Musab Zarqawi, an associate and collaborator of Usama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda lieutenants," Powell said.

Zarqawi was described as a poisons expert with strong ties to the former Iraqi regime and the terrorist groups Al Qaeda and Ansar al-Islam. A Palestinian born in Jordan who fought in Afghanistan more than a decade ago, Zarqawi returned to Afghanistan in 2000 to oversee terrorist training camps, Powell told the Security Council.

"One of his specialties at the camp was poisons," Powell said. "When our coalition ousted the Taliban, the Zarqawi network helped establish another poison and explosives training center."

Zarqawi is believed to have begun establishing terror cells in and around Baghdad prior to the start of the war last March, and is thought by U.S. officials to still be in the country.

U.S. officials, who said they were getting new intelligence in the hunt for Zarqawi, also believe he had been attempting to produce large quantities of the toxin ricin in northern Iraq.
well well well

let's see how long it takes before some moron says it was planted by those imperialistic US troops.
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Old 04-02-04, 02:39 PM   #2
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wmd????????
you have to be kidding........... right?????
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Old 04-02-04, 02:56 PM   #3
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oh you're right, a poisonous substance in the hands of terrorists that have already tried the "poison the water supply" trick once before is no big deal
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Old 04-02-04, 03:23 PM   #4
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ya spans right, just imagine if they got 100s, no 1000s to lick that deadly salt lick, the death it would cause, o woe wit me.




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oh you're right, a poisonous substance in the hands of terrorists that have already tried the "poison the water supply" trick once before is no big deal

7 whole pounds of a (at this time) non specified cyanide salt.... come on span you have to admit that it hardly qualifies as a WMD?

Oh wait..... that is unless you happen to be a rodent or an insect
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Old 04-02-04, 04:38 PM   #6
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your inability to see possible dangers just because of ideological hatred of Bush or his agenda is pretty telling as to why you dolts got kicked out of the White House and then out of Congress.
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Old 04-02-04, 07:02 PM   #7
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your inability to see possible dangers just because of ideological hatred of Bush or his agenda is pretty telling as to why you dolts got kicked out of the White House and then out of Congress.
You can easily buy far larger amounts of deadly chemicals at Walmart without arousing any suspicions, and, so far, domestic terrorists have proven to be quite effective. Just because it's an exotic substance... it just makes a better, sexier news story.
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Old 04-02-04, 07:58 PM   #8
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your inability to see possible dangers just because of ideological hatred of Bush or his agenda is pretty telling as to why you dolts got kicked out of the White House and then out of Congress.


your inability to compose a coherent sentence just because of your ideological hatred of anyone who disagrees with you is pretty telling as to why you dolts got kicked out of Underground forum
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f=cking rat poison. span you've reached a new low. congratulations.

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Old 04-02-04, 09:15 PM   #10
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'Ramzi Yousef, one of the convicted 1993 World Trade Center masterminds, told federal agents that he would have used sodium cyanide if he had the money because he wanted to create a deadly gas cloud that would rise into the office towers and kill everyone. Ahmed Ressam, the al Qaeda terrorist convicted in the Los Angeles International Airport millennium bombing plot, testified recently that he had been trained in an Afghanistan camp on how to kill people with cyanide. Here's a partial transcript from his testimony last summer against a fellow conspirator:

Question: "You practiced these techniques on the dogs so that later on in one of your operations you would be able to perform such techniques on human beings, is that correct?"

Ressam: "Yes. We wanted to know what is the effect of the gas, yes."

Question: "Some of your potential targets while you were in the camp were American citizens, is that correct?"

Ressam: "In regard to targets in general, yes. Yes, we were speaking about America as an enemy of Islam."

Question: "[O]ne of the examples was to put the cyanide right near the air intake of a building such as a government building, correct?"

Ressam: "Yes, that's right."

Question: "And the reason that you would put the cyanide, you were trained, near the air intake would be to kill the most amount of people without endangering yourself and without being detected, correct?"

Ressam: "Yes, that's how gas is used in killing."

Ressam also described how terrorist coaches instructed al Qaeda campers on how to mix cyanide and other toxic chemicals into an oily paste to smear on door handles so that those who touched them would be killed by toxins coursing through their blood. This method, Ressam confirmed, was to be used "against intelligence officers and other VIPs."

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/m...20020529.shtml



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sad that you think it's funny. and..i suppose the fact that the cyanide salt brick was found in iraq, at the safe house of zarqawi, reduces you to uncontrollable giggles. obviously, you're as un-informed about sodium cyanide as you are about who zarqawi is.

are you ever going to debate in an intelligent rational way? your quote below glaringly shows what cheap tactics you'll stoop to instead....
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your inability to compose a coherent sentence just because of your ideological hatred of anyone who disagrees with you is pretty telling as to why you dolts got kicked out of Underground forum
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you guys are truly out of your minds if you believe seven pounds of cyanide’s a wmd. we had a chemical spill here a year ago. a truck carrying seven thousand pounds of sodium cyanide was hit from behind and ruptured, spilling some of its contents on the busy six lane freeway. thousands of motorists passed by it. traffic was eventually diverted until the spill was cleared but not before it entered a river. the place was crawling with epa, cops, firemen and public officials, most of whom were dressed in street clothes. i was there. the mayor was there. it was windy, we worried about rain. as a precaution we evacuated some nearby residences. when it was over no one had died, no one was injured. and this was tons of the stuff...had it been a real wmd, like smallpox, or anthrax or irradiated tumor treatment needles from discarded hospital equipment the outcome might have been disastrous. the stuff isn't harmless but sodium cyanide is no wmd. door handles for christ sake? this fox article is proof the bush apologists left reason and logic in the same black hole their ultimate leader left his honesty.

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this fox article is proof the bush apologists left reason and logic in the same black hole their ultimate leader left his honesty.

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ah proof you didn't even bother to read the article because it just states facts told to them, you know like reporters are supposed to do.
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Old 04-02-04, 10:42 PM   #13
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the stuff isn't harmless but sodium cyanide is no wmd. door handles for christ sake? this fox article is proof the bush apologists left reason and logic in the same black hole their ultimate leader left his honesty.
i don't think you fully read both articles. if you had, you wouldn't be zeroing in on a truck spill and door handles.

are you totally unfamiliar with the concept of coupling high explosives with chemical agents?

terrorists aren't.
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Old 05-02-04, 02:31 AM   #14
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Just a few of the things that 'bother' me in the article:

a) 7 lbs ?? - just what was that going to accomplish?

b) It refers to 'cyanide salts' which, although it seems people have been quick to assume, does not automatically translate to sodium cyanide. It could be any one of a number of the cyanide salts, which vary in properties.

c) The frequent use of the word 'believe'
.......located in what was BELIEVED to be the safe house of Abu Musab Zarqawi ......
....Zarqawi, BELIEVED to have been operating in Iraq......
.....Zarqawi is BELIEVED to have begun establishing terror cells....
.......also BELIEVE he had been attempting to produce large quantities of the toxin ricin in northern Iraq.....


All in all the article would appear to be fairly low in cold hard facts and rather high in sensationalism and inferences.

Just more empty clap trap to try to save face over the WMD hoax.
It amazes me that thinking adults can swallow this stuff whole.
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Old 05-02-04, 06:44 AM   #15
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All cyanide salts share a common property: They are dangerously toxic.

Any of the cyanide salts liberate hydrogen cyanide gas when exposed to a strong acid. This is the mechanism behind gas chamber executions.

Since a concentration of 300 parts per million of hydrogen cyanide in air is fatal to humans within a few minutes, 7 pounds of a cyanide salt could be used to create a very dangerous cyanide gas weapon. A concentration of 56,000 parts per million or more of hydrogen cyanide in air is explosive. Chemical weapons using cyanide are considered to be WMD, whether or not we have an agreement between us of this status.

Besides entering the body by inhalation or ingestion, cyanides can also be absorbed through the skin.

In the U.S., Department of Transportation regulations require reporting a quantity of any of the cyanides over 10 pounds. This is mainly for hazardous materials spill response issues. It should be obvious that a 10 pound container of a cyanide salt will NOT be 30% "safer" if three pounds (30%) of material were removed from the container (leaving 7 pounds remaining in the container).

Arsenic, not cyanide is the material of choice in industrial strength rodentcides. A few gas generating products using cyanide have been manufactured for use against burrowing rodents, like gophers. Compounds that are toxic to rodents and less toxic to other creatures are now widely used in place of arsenic in rodentcides.

Cyanides have a number of legitimate uses, particularly in electroplating and metallurgy. However, if 7 pounds of a cyanide salt was found in the possession of a known terrorist - it's probably reasonable to presume it's intended use was not for a rodentcide or any other legitimate industrial purpose.

I suppose that ricin they found in the Senate isn't a WMD either, since only a small quantity was found. Ricin is a lot more toxic than cyanide. Less than one tenth of one milligram can cause death. One molecule of ricin can destroy a human body cell.

Ricin would be easy and inexpensive to make. Given its potency and low cost, ricin would be very attractive for terrorist activities.

Ricin is derived from the beans of the castor plant. A person with undergraduate chemistry knowledge could extract and concentrate the ricin from the plant.

Please note that none of the facts presented above change with respect to which political party the U.S. President happens to belong to.
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Old 06-02-04, 12:55 PM   #16
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Oh yeah, 7 lbs of rat poison in Iraq is definitely worth spending a trillion dollars and killing untold numbers of people over, because as we know, no terrorist who might use it here could possibly be smart enough to utilize the millions of pounds of it lying around ...here.

Any reports on the number of nail files, cigarette lighters and mousetraps found in Iraq yet?

This thread wins the Ramona A Stone Lamest I-Told-You-So Award of All Time, and I hope the recipients get some sleep soon.

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Old 06-02-04, 02:05 PM   #17
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Oh no i've disappointed the boards resident pseudo-intellectual again

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Old 06-02-04, 06:00 PM   #18
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You mean the kind of "psuedo-intellectual" who would post FOX NEWS articles with a postscript postulating that people would have to claim it was "planted" in order to illuminate the sheer absurdity of it being presented as some kind of "evidence"? That's funny.

Sorry you disappointed yourself, but you lived up to my expectations brilliantly.

The fact that people will dig this deeply to construct a rationale for going to war is really just too revealing of the fact that they don't have a single clue in spite of all their prewar cheerleading, and it's fraught with an especially sad futility when their own Brave Leader is currently admitting as much in a numb-nutted last ditch effort to look like a well-intentioned dumb fuck who couldn't interpret his own "intelligence."

I suppose this mad scramble for some scrap of justification will continue as long as there is breath in you, but I'm surprised you're not more heavily into the "let's pretend we were misled" campaign, it's all the rage... but then again, perhaps it overestimates the level of intellectual sophistication of the sheep for which it's intended.

I suggest if you want to stay on the moral high ground that you should keep digging for more gay pedophile material, it seems to really sell.
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You mean the kind of "psuedo-intellectual" who would post FOX NEWS articles with a postscript postulating that people would have to claim it was "planted" in order to illuminate the sheer absurdity of it being presented as some kind of "evidence"? That's funny.

Sorry you disappointed yourself, but you lived up to my expectations brilliantly.

The fact that people will dig this deeply to construct a rationale for going to war is really just too revealing of the fact that they don't have a single clue in spite of all their prewar cheerleading, and it's fraught with an especially sad futility when their own Brave Leader is currently admitting as much in a numb-nutted last ditch effort to look like a well-intentioned dumb fuck who couldn't interpret his own "intelligence."

I suppose this mad scramble for some scrap of justification will continue as long as there is breath in you, but I'm surprised you're not more heavily into the "let's pretend we were misled" campaign, it's all the rage... but then again, perhaps it overestimates the level of intellectual sophistication of the sheep for which it's intended.

I suggest if you want to stay on the moral high ground that you should keep digging for more gay pedophile material, it seems to really sell.
awww did i touch a nerve in the little smarty man in training?

don't worry, i don't need WMD's to help me justify this war, Saddam's breaking of the '91 cease fire before the ink was dry on it was all the justification i needed. Thankfully we finally got someone with balls in charge to call him on it.
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