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10-01-08, 05:38 PM | #1 |
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You never stop trying to pass bullshit off as fact, it's been in his sig for maybe a month or two.
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11-01-08, 08:10 AM | #2 |
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It's not a big deal really. I mean it's a quote I found online, and I'm using it online. My heart is not set on private personal use. I don't own the copyright and will not sue Nicobie for using it. I stole it from Mr. O'Rourke, so if Nicobie wants to steal it from me, that's just fine. Maybe he can help pass on the word that we the people need to take the power back and get the money out of Washington.
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11-01-08, 10:48 AM | #3 |
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michae...-_b_81030.html
"What has somehow escaped attention as a central factor in her death, however, is the pressure applied by Condi Rice for Bhutto to return to Pakistan, and, particularly, the representation Rice made to Bhutto -- against Bhutto's own intuition -- that President Musharraf was in support." |
11-01-08, 06:24 PM | #4 |
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15-01-08, 12:30 AM | #5 | |
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That once you decide your either Republican/Democrat/Conservative/Liberal that you only believe rhetoric that supports your beliefs? Huffington.......give me a break. A liberal version of O'Reilly. You still don't perceive the point........Which is.....Bhutto would have been supported by ANY/WHOMEVER/WHAT President was currently in office. Gore or ANY other President, Democrat/Repub/Whothefukever, would have openly supported this American educated candidate to replace the scumgag self appointed through violence dictator that now controls a nuclear enabled terrorist breeding country. Do you really believe that a Democrat version of Ms. Rice, had a Democrat been elected, would have not openly and publicly supported Bhutto just as Rice did? Absofukinlutely he/she/it would have. Once again your blaming Bush for something ANY President/Admin of the US would have done, instead of the actual terrorists/government that murdered her. Are you really ignorant enough to actually believe that without Rice's public support of Bhutto that Musharraf was clueless as to who Americans, as well as the Pakistani people wanted to take control of Pakistan and that Bush/Rice is the reason she was murdered? FACT.....She only fled her country to protect her children after the corrupt military government again dismissed her as PM and her husband was imprisoned. Over the next nine years, she and her children lived in exile in London, where she continued to advocate the restoration of democracy in Pakistan. The former Prime Minister returned to her Homeland because her children had grown up and she wanted to be Prime Minister again, an office she was wrongly and illegally dismissed from. She returned because the 2008 election was upcoming and she wanted to end the reign of corrupt military governments, the likes of which, executed her father and imprisoned and oppressed her and her husband over the last 20 years.....NOT because Condi Rice and the Bush admin "pressured" her into it. Musharraf is a fukin pussy compared to General Zia Ul Haq, Ghulam Ishaq Khan and Leghari. The last "somewhat" conservative President Pakistan had, Nawaz Sharif, was overthrown almost before he took office. No doubt with Americas war on Terrorism and Musharrafs bullshit Democracy for Pakistan farce she believed this was her best and last chance of being PM again. After the personal sacrifice this woman went through for the Pakistani people she was hardly naive enough to think her attempt to become PM was going to be a cakewalk or without risk to her life. Within hours of her return in 2007, her motorcade was attacked by a suicide bomber that killed more than 100 of her supporters. She knew from day one that the Bush admin couldn't protect her, yet she didn't turn tail and run back to London. Hardly the actions of a woman being "pressured" into doing something she didn't want to. |
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15-01-08, 07:18 AM | #6 |
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You're a little thick if you haven't figured out by now that dix is just another one of those warped idiots who need to blame and slander the U.S. at every opportunity. Iraq and Afghanistan have been doing so well that his kind must be choking on their own bile and have to use even this little incident to vent it.
His stupidity really shines when he tries to compare her to the shah. Lmao. |
28-01-08, 09:19 PM | #7 | |
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Yet you want us to believe that Musharraf is just trying to do the best for his country but Bush isn't? No doubt you want us to believe Saddam was just trying to the best for the Iraqi citizens by spending BILLIONS on all those Palaces and Luxuries for himself and his sadistic family while he and his sons raped and murdered innocent people at will. Bhuttos murder was in the best interest of only Musharraf, his military and the terrorists they support, NOT in the people of Pakistans best interest. Dictators always put their own interests ahead of the people they oppress. ....Quite liberal, biased and telling how you don't give The Bush Admin. the same leeway that you give murdering Dictators. Obviously your knowledge of history is limited to US history and only goes back 7 years. Your hatred of Bush has so consumed your sanity that you are unable or incapable of seeing anything but the "History" of Bush's Presidency and spew forth this idiotic rhetoric that Bush somehow invented "bribing", to use your own moronic terminology, leaders of other countries to get something they need. News-flash.........This practice went on long before America ever existed. This messed up world was built on Countries/Leaders who despised each other snuggling up with each other when it suited them. Where in the hell do you think this young Country of ours learned it? Bush and The US didn't invent this practice nor was he the first American President to utilize it, and he won't be the last. Bush also wasn’t the first President to erase a countries debt and lift embargos to gain their cooperation. You also continue to rant on and on about "mistakes", again to use your own moronic terminology, as if every President before Bush was perfect and never made a decision that several years later in “hindsight” and well after the fact, would look back and wish they “knew then what they know now”. NO President or Leader can predict the future when they play the political game with another country. What past leader of any country hasn't made "deals" with other countries that ended up being used against them? Why do you keep portraying Bush as the only Leader in the history of the world to have had to make a decision based solely on his judgement that years later would prove to be a poor one? Presidents don’t have the wonderful gift of hindsight that you whiny liberals use years later when you start ranting “now that we know it was a mistake he should’ve known better”. Our current relationship with Pakistan is not illegal, underhanded or any different than past relationships cultivated by America and former Presidents with any other country we have had to "get along" with. Countries, who along with our leaders were also trying to do the best for their countries "within some terrible limits"..... Liberals are Ostriches, but instead of burying their heads in sand they bury them in their own asses and choose to believe if they can’t see something happening….it isn’t. ie..(One who tries to avoid disagreeable situations by refusing to face them.) The US can never win with disgruntled crybabies like you. Hypocrites who whine and cry about all the people we ALLOW to be killed when we stay the hell out of other countries affairs. Then when we do take action after being crucified by the media and court of public opinion for our lack of it, you call us murderers and cry about how other countries affairs are none of our business. Its quite clear that you could care less about the truth, Bhutto, the Pakistani people or pointing out what a “mistake” it would have been for her not to run against Musharraf. Blaming her murder on the Bush Admin. Is just more fuel for you to stoke the burning fire of hate that you have for George W. Bush. Your intense hatred of Bush really has blinded you to the fact that he is a human being, hardly perfect and no more able to predict the future than any other President this country has had. Every President in our history has had to make split second decisions that affected the lives of millions based solely on their own judgement. There will always be people like you who will criticize and trivialize the decisions of a US President. People completely unable to comprehend the scope and scale of just how difficult being the President is because the hardest decision in their entire pathetic life was which porno they were going to jerk off to and whether to eat a Quarter Pounder or a Big Mac afterwards. Speaking of pathetic………blaming the Government for everything evil in the world is just a sad way for individuals like you unhappy in their own pathetic lives to avoid accepting the responsibility that they really have only THEMSELVES to BLAME. |
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Sorta contradicts what you said about Bush and his cohorts having nothing at all to do with it, now, doesn't it? And it wouldn't make a rat's ass to me what political party is in power when a mistake is made. If Gore was the president right now and his admin did what the Bush admin has done where Pakistan is concerned, I would be making the exact same post about it here. |
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#1 I seriously doubt that.... #2 There was no "mistake". #3 I don't see you whining about what a mistake it was for the Pakistani people to support her democratic ideals and hopes for an elected leader instead of the military controlled "puppet" they have. Quote:
The only point you've made extremely clear is that when you feel the need to lay blame it will be with the current US President and his Admin, regardless of their political affiliation or whether they have actually done anything wrong. |
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Let's do a step by step walk through of events in Pakistan over the past 6 years. The Bush admin desperately needed Pakistan's permission to use their airspace in late 2001 for bombing missions in Afghanistan. To secure that, they ( the Bush admin; not the US ) forgave Pakistan’s debts, removed its embargo-"bad guy" status (for developing atomic weapons in secret), provided large amounts of military assistance, and gave even larger amounts of cash to Musharraf. Why this was a mistake: While the Bush admin was concentrating on bribing Musharraf, they took their eyes off of Dr. A. Q. Khan who without impediment immediately expanded his personal bank accounts by selling North Korea the technology necessary to create huge ass radioactive mushroom clouds. Side note: Dr. Khan the bomb offered to sell that technology to Saddam, but Saddam wasn't interested and wouldn't even meet with him. The Bush admin thought otherwise though and ....well, you know that story. Fast forward a couple of years: Bin Laden and other top America haters are hiding in plain sight in Pakistan and pretty much making fools out of the Bush admin. 2004 election fast approaching and NO signs of "progress". Intense pressure started being applied on Musharraf to allow American special forces to conduct operations inside of Pakistan. There must be progress or the illusion thereof or the 2004 election would be lost. The deal reached was one where Musharraf 's military put on showy operations in the areas where the American voters would be sure to see the "signs of progress" on their TV screens before the election. The "secret" deal allowed US special forces to conduct operations in Pakistan simultaneously where they immediately blasted a religious school to hell killing 80 children and blamed Musharraf 's military for the crime. After that mess Musharraf was no longer on the Bush admin's friends list. Overnight, the State Department changed him from valiant ally to enemy of democracy, and the American press obliged with the appropriate stories and emphasis; spoon feeding the propaganda to people like you who were too damned lazy in youth to learn how to objectively form opinions of your own without having them conveniently given to you. So, suddenly Musharraf became an undemocratic pariah who needed to be replaced. It was easy enough to exploit public dissatisfaction with a military dictator, even if he was only trying to do his best for his country within some terrible limits. Enter Bhutto. The Bush admin gave Ms. Bhutto a blessing and a gentle push, and likely a bundle of cash, along with undoubtedly, the promise of lots of future support, to return home as opposition to Musharraf. Ms. Bhutto was regarded in Washington as more amenable to American demands in Pakistan. (Obviously she was also viewed that way in Pakistan ) She had the double merit of being able to give Pakistan’s government the gloss of democracy while serving key American interests. But it couldn’t be clearer that democracy is not what the Bush admin was really concerned with, because Musharraf was just a fine ally so long as he did as he was told. The quick fix is what the Bush admin demanded; a quick fix to its own perceptions of problems under the guise of supporting democracy and opposition to terror, will achieve absolutely nothing over the long term. And that is why the whole of the Bush admin's policies concerning Pakistan have been and are mistakes. One could fairly say that Bhutto's assassination just proves how little Washington policymakers understand the region. They sent her to her death, desperately hoping against hope to get what they wanted; "progress" or a reasonable illusion of it. Meanwhile the taleban sits waiting, in Pakistan, biding their time for when the US led UN forces are forced to leave Afghanistan and they can return to make things as they were before. It's been worse than a mistake; it's been a disaster. Last edited by RDixon : 18-01-08 at 09:33 AM. |
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