RIP Benazir Bhutto

[albed]

You're a little thick if you haven't figured out by now that dix is just another one of those warped idiots who need to blame and slander the U.S. at every opportunity. Iraq and Afghanistan have been doing so well that his kind must be choking on their own bile and have to use even this little incident to vent it.

His stupidity really shines when he tries to compare her to the shah. Lmao.

[RDixon]

Originally Posted by jcmd62

You still don't perceive the point........Which is.....Bhutto would have been supported by ANY/WHOMEVER/WHAT President was currently in office. Gore or ANY other President, Democrat/Repub/Whothefukever, would have openly supported this American educated candidate to replace the scumgag self appointed through violence dictator that now controls a nuclear enabled terrorist breeding country.

Exactly.

Sorta contradicts what you said about Bush and his cohorts having nothing at all to do with it, now, doesn't it?

And it wouldn't make a rat's ass to me what political party is in power when a mistake is made.

If Gore was the president right now and his admin did what the Bush admin has done where Pakistan is concerned, I would be making the exact same post about it here.

[albed]

Sorta contradicts what you said about Bush and his cohorts having nothing at all to do with it, now, doesn't it?

No it doesn't. Damn you're fucking stupid!

[jcmd62]

Originally Posted by RDixon

Sorta contradicts what you said about Bush and his cohorts having nothing at all to do with it, now, doesn't it?

Not in the least. The Bush/US support of Bhutto had nothing to do with her being murdered. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Pakistanis openly supported her, some even died doing so. Funny how I don't see you blaming her death on them.

Originally Posted by RDixon

And it wouldn't make a rat's ass to me what political party is in power when a mistake is made.

#1 I seriously doubt that....

#2 There was no "mistake".

#3 I don't see you whining about what a mistake it was for the Pakistani people to support her democratic ideals and hopes for an elected leader instead of the military controlled "puppet" they have.

Originally Posted by RDixon

If Gore was the president right now and his admin did what the Bush admin has done where Pakistan is concerned, I would be making the exact same post about it here.

Once again and this is the last time.......The Bush Admin didn't "do ANYTHING where Pakistan is concerned" that ANY OTHER ADMINISTRATION WOULD OR WOULD NOT HAVE DONE. Nobody did anything wrong or underhanded, your whole damn point if there was one is moot.

The only point you've made extremely clear is that when you feel the need to lay blame it will be with the current US President and his Admin, regardless of their political affiliation or whether they have actually done anything wrong.

[RDixon]

Originally Posted by jcmd62

The only point you've made extremely clear is that when you feel the need to lay blame it will be with the current US President and his Admin, regardless of their political affiliation or whether they have actually done anything wrong.

You can has walkthrough...

Let's do a step by step walk through of events in Pakistan over the past 6 years.

The Bush admin desperately needed Pakistan's permission to use their airspace in late 2001 for bombing missions in Afghanistan.

To secure that, they ( the Bush admin; not the US ) forgave Pakistan’s debts, removed its embargo-"bad guy" status (for developing atomic weapons in secret), provided large amounts of military assistance, and gave even larger amounts of cash to Musharraf.

Why this was a mistake:

While the Bush admin was concentrating on bribing Musharraf, they took their eyes off of Dr. A. Q. Khan who without impediment immediately expanded his personal bank accounts by selling North Korea the technology necessary to create huge ass radioactive mushroom clouds.

Side note: Dr. Khan the bomb offered to sell that technology to Saddam, but Saddam wasn't interested and wouldn't even meet with him.
The Bush admin thought otherwise though and ....well, you know that story.

Fast forward a couple of years: Bin Laden and other top America haters are hiding in plain sight in Pakistan and pretty much making fools out of the Bush admin.
2004 election fast approaching and NO signs of "progress".
Intense pressure started being applied on Musharraf to allow American special forces to conduct operations inside of Pakistan.
There must be progress or the illusion thereof or the 2004 election would be lost.
The deal reached was one where Musharraf 's military put on showy operations in the areas where the American voters would be sure to see the "signs of progress" on their TV screens before the election.
The "secret" deal allowed US special forces to conduct operations in Pakistan simultaneously where they immediately blasted a religious school to hell killing 80 children and blamed Musharraf 's military for the crime.

After that mess Musharraf was no longer on the Bush admin's friends list.
Overnight, the State Department changed him from valiant ally to enemy of democracy, and the American press obliged with the appropriate stories and emphasis; spoon feeding the propaganda to people like you who were too damned lazy in youth to learn how to objectively form opinions of your own without having them conveniently given to you.

So, suddenly Musharraf became an undemocratic pariah who needed to be replaced.
It was easy enough to exploit public dissatisfaction with a military dictator, even if he was only trying to do his best for his country within some terrible limits.

Enter Bhutto.

The Bush admin gave Ms. Bhutto a blessing and a gentle push, and likely a bundle of cash, along with undoubtedly, the promise of lots of future support, to return home as opposition to Musharraf.

Ms. Bhutto was regarded in Washington as more amenable to American demands in Pakistan. (Obviously she was also viewed that way in Pakistan )
She had the double merit of being able to give Pakistan’s government the gloss of democracy while serving key American interests.
But it couldn’t be clearer that democracy is not what the Bush admin was really concerned with, because Musharraf was just a fine ally so long as he did as he was told.

The quick fix is what the Bush admin demanded; a quick fix to its own perceptions of problems under the guise of supporting democracy and opposition to terror, will achieve absolutely nothing over the long term.

And that is why the whole of the Bush admin's policies concerning Pakistan have been and are mistakes.

One could fairly say that Bhutto's assassination just proves how little Washington policymakers understand the region. They sent her to her death, desperately hoping against hope to get what they wanted; "progress" or a reasonable illusion of it.

Meanwhile the taleban sits waiting, in Pakistan, biding their time for when the US led UN forces are forced to leave Afghanistan and they can return to make things as they were before.

It's been worse than a mistake; it's been a disaster.

[albed]

Never fails; corner a compulsive liar and they start spouting truckloads of bullshit rather than face up to one little lie.


Bhutto got killed because of her own reckless conduct, practically suicidal in those circumstances. The only real question is whether she was actually that stupid or whether she wanted to get killed.

[Nicobie]

Originally Posted by albed

That's been his sig for years. Why don't you just go whole hog and steal his user title and location too?

Why don't U stick a dry 4x4 up 'ure arse.

You have already stuck your foot in your mouth so many times I figure that U must have trouble breathing.

[multi]

Originally Posted by Nicobie

Why don't U stick a dry 4x4 up 'ure arse.

You have already stuck your foot in your mouth so many times I figure that U must have trouble breathing.

I heard it does wonders for his bad breath.

[jcmd62]

Originally Posted by RDixon

It was easy enough to exploit public dissatisfaction with a military dictator, even if he was only trying to do his best for his country within some terrible limits.

Yea those POOR misunderstood Military Dictators just trying to the best for their countries.....ROTFLMAO……… False imprisonment, "fixed" elections or none at all, murder anyone that speaks out against them, Yes those poor Dictators have it tough with all those “terrible limits" they are forced to deal with.

Yet you want us to believe that Musharraf is just trying to do the best for his country but Bush isn't? No doubt you want us to believe Saddam was just trying to the best for the Iraqi citizens by spending BILLIONS on all those Palaces and Luxuries for himself and his sadistic family while he and his sons raped and murdered innocent people at will. Bhuttos murder was in the best interest of only Musharraf, his military and the terrorists they support, NOT in the people of Pakistans best interest. Dictators always put their own interests ahead of the people they oppress.


....Quite liberal, biased and telling how you don't give The Bush Admin. the same leeway that you give murdering Dictators.

Obviously your knowledge of history is limited to US history and only goes back 7 years. Your hatred of Bush has so consumed your sanity that you are unable or incapable of seeing anything but the "History" of Bush's Presidency and spew forth this idiotic rhetoric that Bush somehow invented "bribing", to use your own moronic terminology, leaders of other countries to get something they need.

News-flash.........This practice went on long before America ever existed. This messed up world was built on Countries/Leaders who despised each other snuggling up with each other when it suited them. Where in the hell do you think this young Country of ours learned it? Bush and The US didn't invent this practice nor was he the first American President to utilize it, and he won't be the last. Bush also wasn’t the first President to erase a countries debt and lift embargos to gain their cooperation.

You also continue to rant on and on about "mistakes", again to use your own moronic terminology, as if every President before Bush was perfect and never made a decision that several years later in “hindsight” and well after the fact, would look back and wish they “knew then what they know now”. NO President or Leader can predict the future when they play the political game with another country. What past leader of any country hasn't made "deals" with other countries that ended up being used against them? Why do you keep portraying Bush as the only Leader in the history of the world to have had to make a decision based solely on his judgement that years later would prove to be a poor one? Presidents don’t have the wonderful gift of hindsight that you whiny liberals use years later when you start ranting “now that we know it was a mistake he should’ve known better”.

Our current relationship with Pakistan is not illegal, underhanded or any different than past relationships cultivated by America and former Presidents with any other country we have had to "get along" with. Countries, who along with our leaders were also trying to do the best for their countries "within some terrible limits".....


Liberals are Ostriches, but instead of burying their heads in sand they bury them in their own asses and choose to believe if they can’t see something happening….it isn’t. ie..(One who tries to avoid disagreeable situations by refusing to face them.) The US can never win with disgruntled crybabies like you. Hypocrites who whine and cry about all the people we ALLOW to be killed when we stay the hell out of other countries affairs. Then when we do take action after being crucified by the media and court of public opinion for our lack of it, you call us murderers and cry about how other countries affairs are none of our business.

Its quite clear that you could care less about the truth, Bhutto, the Pakistani people or pointing out what a “mistake” it would have been for her not to run against Musharraf. Blaming her murder on the Bush Admin. Is just more fuel for you to stoke the burning fire of hate that you have for George W. Bush.

Your intense hatred of Bush really has blinded you to the fact that he is a human being, hardly perfect and no more able to predict the future than any other President this country has had. Every President in our history has had to make split second decisions that affected the lives of millions based solely on their own judgement. There will always be people like you who will criticize and trivialize the decisions of a US President. People completely unable to comprehend the scope and scale of just how difficult being the President is because the hardest decision in their entire pathetic life was which porno they were going to jerk off to and whether to eat a Quarter Pounder or a Big Mac afterwards.

Speaking of pathetic………blaming the Government for everything evil in the world is just a sad way for individuals like you unhappy in their own pathetic lives to avoid accepting the responsibility that they really have only THEMSELVES to BLAME.

[albed]

Originally Posted by Nicobie

Why don't U stick a dry 4x4 up 'ure arse.

You have already stuck your foot in your mouth so many times I figure that U must have trouble breathing.

First wack yourself over the head with it until you can do your own thinking you pathetic copy and paste moron. Just how stupid are you that you can't even think up or find a sig for yourself and have to copy and paste someone else's?

[Nicobie]

Originally Posted by albed

First wack yourself over the head with it until you can do your own thinking you pathetic copy and paste moron. Just how stupid are you that you can't even think up or find a sig for yourself and have to copy and paste someone else's?

Here's a quick c&p that I figure u are familiar

http://goatse.cz/

with...

Hi dillweed

[malvachat]

Originally Posted by Nicobie

Here's a quick c&p that I figure u are familiar

http://goatse.cz/

with...

Hi dillweed

That's cruel Nic.

[multi]

(Kids.... Do not click that link !)




anyway...

What's so cruel? I see the connection.
albed's so bent over, I would expect he has a lot in common with the goatse dude.... It probably is him...

[albed]

I see another connection; nic's so stupid he can't think of anything to post and again has to copy and paste something.


You guys enjoy his kiddie porn, I'm not clicking the link.










My fault I suppose; I did tell him to wack himself.

[multi]

I should copy/paste your avatars head on that guy's butt.. because that would be hilarious.

but I couldn't be fucked looking at that monstrosity again.

Looking at your turtles mouth is quite enough to stir a vague memory of it, anyway.

[Nicobie]

Originally Posted by malvachat

That's cruel Nic.

Hey malva,

seems as I now have a new ISP, a link to the other god fearing forum could be a chuckle.

[malvachat]

Originally Posted by Nicobie

Hey malva,

seems as I now have a new ISP, a link to the other god fearing forum could be a chuckle.

How will I know it's you?
Your secret will be safe with me.

[Nicobie]

BEER i'll mention it

just send me da link to iceland~~ god fearing forum

hehe