Connecticut

[theknife]

anybody else watching the Lamont-Lieberman showdown? Lamont was a nobody 6 months ago and now is on the verge of taking out one of the pillars of the Democratic party - as well he should. Lieberman is a textbook example of the kind of Dem who oughta be tossed out for 5 years of letting the GOP walk all over him.

the prospect of a Lamont victory has the political establishment of both parties scared shitless. Lieberman has the whole Dem establishment and many GOP heavies (which, of course, is part of his political problem) rooting for him, but if Lamont pulls it out, it will send a couple of strong messages to the entire political establishment:

1) ending the occupation of Iraq is a viable and resonant political message for 2006.(this should be a no-brainer, with some 55% of the population supporting withdrawal, but establishment Dems have been weenies up to this point.)
2) online political activism is maturing and becoming a significant player in the political process, which by defnition, means a weakening of the power of the party establishments.

the Lamont candidacy is democracy with a small d - the way it should be.

[albed]

It's actually just a repetition of the same self-deluded irrationality the dems have been exhibiting for years - "We're not losing because we're wrong but because our party is contaminated by impure members who aren't liberal enough and must be expunged."

[theknife]

Originally Posted by albed

It's actually just a repetition of the same self-deluded irrationality the dems have been exhibiting for years - "We're not losing because we're wrong but because our party is contaminated by impure members who aren't liberal enough and must be expunged."

the talking heads and pundits (left and right) have been peddling this meme for the last few weeks - since they're terrified of the alternative scenario: Connecticut voters are just fed up with the direction of the country and Lieberman is the first, but by no means the last, victim of this sentiment.

[albed]

Originally Posted by theknife

terrified

Originally Posted by theknife

scared shitless

It's politics knife, get your adrenal gland out of hyperdrive, we normal people don't overreact like that.

Seems your kind doesn't like the direction and just want yank the steering wheel without any further thinking. Typical.

If the dems keep getting more radical they'll become even less appealing to sane americans. It's seems evident that the conservative dems were the ones winning elections in the last cycle.

So kick them out.

[theknife]

Originally Posted by albed

So kick them out.

an excellent suggestion, since thier views do not represent those of mainstream Americans.

since most Americans disapprove of Bush, think the Iraq war was a mistake, favor withdrawal within the next 12 months, and generally think the country is headed in the wrong direction, then mainstream America is "radical". so be it. let them vote accordingly.

[miss_silver]

Lieberman need to be ousted since he did claim he had greater alligence to some other agenda than his own party. That guy is a Zionist period, no wonder he support Bush views in this whole mess and I have no doubt that he would be jubilant with joy if the Dems did indeed split up, old age tactic, divide and conquer.

[RDixon]

Is ann coulter albed's mother?

[miss_silver]

Originally Posted by RDixon

Is ann coulter albed's mother?

Good question RD!

[multi]

Three-term Sen. Joe Lieberman fell to anti-war challenger Ned Lamont in Connecticut's Democratic primary Tuesday, a race seen as a harbinger of sentiment over a conflict that has claimed the lives of more than 2,500 U.S. troops.

Unbowed, Lieberman immediately announced he would enter the fall campaign as an independent. Only six years ago, Lieberman was the Democrats' choice for vice president.

"As I see it, in this campaign we just finished the first half and the Lamont team is ahead. But, in the second half, our team, Team Connecticut, is going to surge forward to victory in November," Lieberman said after congratulating Lamont.

Lamont, a millionaire with virtually no political experience, ran on his opposition to the Iraq war. He led with 52 percent of the vote, or 144,005, to 48 percent for Lieberman, with 134,026, with 98 percent of precincts reporting.

"They call Connecticut the land of steady habits," a jubilant Lamont told cheering reporters. "Tonight we voted for a big change."

Lieberman's loss made him only the fourth incumbent senator to lose a primary since 1980.

Turnout was projected at twice the norm for a primary.

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[floydian slip]

good ridance, although he said he would run again as an independent

i sure hope americans can wake up and see through this repuglicant / democrap bullshit and not just vote for a party, anyone affiliated with the CFR, Bilderbergs, Tri-Laterals, WTO, IMF ect. need to be voted out. That is if diebold allows it

[Mazer]

Originally Posted by theknife

an excellent suggestion, since thier views do not represent those of mainstream Americans.

Since when was the government meant to represent only the views of "mainstream" Americans?

Define mainstream Americans. Such a group never existed before polls showed that a majority of Americans agreed with your "Get out of Dodge" opinions, isn't that true?

At this moment I agree with floyd. We need something like a 7 party system, just for a little while to teach us all how damaging political party affiliations really are.

[albed]

Most "mainstream americans" probably couldn't find the mid-east on a map and their knowledge of history ends with the Beatles era, so why in the fuck should they be running U.S. foreign policy? They just squawk what the parrots around them squawk and all the democrats ever do is start them squawking against republicans without even trying to provide their own coherent plan or even a qualified candidate. Lamont is just another peabrain squawker without a clue and putting him into office will make Connecticut a laughingstock.

[theknife]

Leiberman lost because, like the administration, his stand on key issues no longer makes sense. Connecticut voters clearly don't mind putting a political novice into play when the "experts" are determined to cling to failed policies. perhaps there's a lesson in there for you two as well.

[Nicobie]

Originally Posted by theknife

Leiberman lost because, like the administration, his stand on key issues no longer makes sense. Connecticut voters clearly don't mind putting a political novice into play when the "experts" are determined to cling to failed policies. perhaps there's a lesson in there for you two as well.

Yep.

Let us not vote for any incumbents.

[albed]

Originally Posted by theknife

Leiberman lost because, like the administration, his stand on key issues no longer makes sense. Connecticut voters clearly don't mind putting a political novice into play when the "experts" are determined to cling to failed policies. perhaps there's a lesson in there for you two as well.

There you go again with your 'doesn't make sense' squawk, what the fuck doesn't make sense about making Iraq a liberal democracy? Do you think people are better off being repressed by facism? Then why aren't you moving to Saudi Arabia? What does make sense to liberals anyway? Try coming up with a strategic vision that makes sense in today's world. I haven't heard a single fucking thing from the left as to how they'd run world affairs. Their only concern is grabbing power for themselves by inciting the moronic masses.

[theknife]

Originally Posted by albed

what the fuck doesn't make sense about making Iraq a liberal democracy?

because it can't be done by the US militarily. got it?

[albed]

The U.S. military ended nazism in Germany and facism in Japan and made them liberal democracies. Why can't it be done again? ...ummm Panama too.




Next stupid bullshit statement...

[RDixon]

Originally Posted by albed

Next stupid bullshit statement...

The U.S. military ended nazism in Germany and facism in Japan and made them liberal democracies. Why can't it be done again? ...ummm Panama too.


yep, pretty stupid and complete bullshit.

you don't know much about recent history, do you?

[theknife]

Originally Posted by albed

The U.S. military ended nazism in Germany and facism in Japan and made them liberal democracies. Why can't it be done again?

ok, i'm off today - i can play with you for a bit

it can't be done again because iraq is not germany or japan. um, haven't we done this before? oh yeah, there it is:

Originally Posted by theknife to albed

...post-war germany and japan are completely irrelevant comparisons. both had been industrialized, relatively well-educated societies with experience in democracy prior to WW2 - iraq is a tribal, relatively undeveloped society whose primary religion is incompatible with democracy.

it's been a year since that post and over three years since the Prez declared "mission accomplished" and "the end of major combat operations". by 1948, were the streets of Berlin or Tokyo a civil war zone, with most major government functions barely operational, and 50-100 people getting killed every day (not to mention an ongoing US body count)?

[albed]

Originally Posted by theknife

it can't be done again because iraq is not germany or japan.

Oh yeah, and Germany wasn't Japan and Japan wasn't Germany so it couldn't be done at all. That makes perfect sense in a warped, liberal kind of way.

Originally Posted by theknife

meanwhile, post-war germany and japan are completely irrelevant comparisons. both had been industrialized, relatively well-educated societies with experience in democracy prior to WW2 - iraq is a tribal, relatively undeveloped society whose primary religion is incompatible with democracy.

Originally Posted by albed

Hmmm...CIA Factbook Iraq:
GDP - composition by sector:
agriculture: 13.6%
industry: 58.6%
services: 27.8% (2004 est.)
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...s/iz.html#Econ

I recall reading the Iraqis were generally well educated as well.
Pretty impressive cities too for being relatively undeveloped.
Christ knife do you actually know anything at all about Iraq?

http://www.p2p-zone.com/underground/...ad.php?t=21838




Your resistance to learning anything at all about Iraq is notable; but how else could you cling to your ignorant, bigoted views?