IMO, Israel is totally justified.....

[pisser]

in destroying Hezbolla, after all, Hezbolla invades, attacks and promotes Israels total destruction and obiliteration. You know we wouldn't stand for that here in the U.S., but the rest of the world (read Europe) condemns Israel without hardly any condemnation against the blatantly terrorist group Hezbolla.

Israel deserves to live in peace and tranquility.

Terrorists deserve no mercy, I salute Israel for finally taking the initative, but I just wonder what took them so long.........?????

P.S. war is Hell, children will always die, so get over it already. Most likely those children would grow up to become the next-gen terrorists anyways.......

[albed]

Hezbolla has long used children as human shields anyway and it's necessary to kill them to kill the terrorists; just like those UN observers.


Once the nukes start flying this will all seem like the good old days.

[floydian slip]

what nukes?


btw pisser, the two israeli soldiers were in lebanon when they got taken prisoner.

On a table facing his desk, Ehud Olmert keeps photographs of three Israeli soldiers whose capture by Islamic militants in Gaza and Lebanon sparked the latest Mideast crisis.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlates...989817,00.html

to find out what the real prolem is

try googling ' balfour declaration ' ' rothschild '

and ' ben gurion ' the original terrorist

its all about the money

[Mazer]

Originally Posted by floydian slip

btw pisser, the two israeli soldiers were in lebanon when they got taken prisoner.

This makes little difference since it was Hezbollah that detained them, not the government of Lebanon. Maps may still show the reigion just north of Israel as being part of Lebanon, but in reality that reigion is ruled by anarchy, not the government.

[Malk-a-mite]

Originally Posted by pisser

in destroying Hezbolla, after all, Hezbolla invades, attacks and promotes Israels total destruction and obiliteration.

Ok, but how is this destroying them? Hezbolla was a response to Isaeli forces in Lebenon back in the what, early 80s?

How is another invasion and occupation by UN forces going to be any different this time?

[miss_silver]

Originally Posted by Mazer

This makes little difference since it was Hezbollah that detained them, not the government of Lebanon. Maps may still show the reigion just north of Israel as being part of Lebanon, but in reality that reigion is ruled by anarchy, not the government.

There is a major difference between Kidnapped and Captured. The media played the card kidnapped since it sent sympathy toward Israel when they could have been truthful, objective about the situation. By using the word Kidnap, it led the population to believe it was Hezbollah that crossed the border to make them prisonners, if the media would have used the word Capture, the message would have been very different, meaning those 2 birds shouldn't have crossed Lebanon border in the first place, they did it and got Captured.

What puzzles me most is the silence of Israel about this whole situation. How come those 2 soldiers decided to cross the Lebanon border? Who sent them there in the first place? Soldiers follow orders, someone must have told them to cross the border but for what purpuse since Israel knows very well the southern border is Hizbollah & PLO country.

Beside, it's not like Israel never had terrorists organisations. Irgun, Lehi and Haganah are good examples of it and they did do a lot of dammage but strangely enough, we never hear or heard of them unless one google for informations.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...y/haganah.html

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...tory/lehi.html

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...ory/irgun.html

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...ry/resist.html

The Jewish Resistance Movement

At the end of World War II, when it became clear that the British government had no intention of altering its anti-Zionist policy, the yishuv organized the Jewish Resistance Movement, which was run by the Haganah in cooperation with Etzel and Lehi.

The movement carried out its first operation on October 1945, when a Palmach unit attacked the Atlit internment camp and liberated the 208 “illegal” immigrants held there. In November 1945, the Movement showed its strength by launching a major attack on railroads all over the country and sinking several coastal patrol launches. In the following months, the Movement carried out attacks upon British police posts, coast guard stations, radar installations and air-fields.

In June 1946, the Jewish Resistance Movement blew up the bridges linking Palestine with neighboring states. The British authorities reacted to this attack on June 29, 1946 (“Black Saturday”), by arresting the members of the Jewish Agency Executive. Military forces conducted searches for arms caches in the settlements and thousands of people were arrested. The Jewish Agency ordered a halt in the armed operations against the British, but Etzel and Lehi refused to comply. In July 1946, Etzel blew up the central government offices at the King David Hotel in Jerusalem. 80 people were killed — government officials and civilians, Britons, Jews and Arabs. After this operation, condemned outright by the Jewish Agency and by the Haganah, the Jewish Resistance Movement ceased to exist.

What is mind blowing is what next became of these 3 terrorists group, the quotes comes from the first 3 links

...When the Hebrew Resistance Movement was founded in November 1945, Lehi joined it, along with the Haganah and Etzel. Lehi carried out several operations as part of the movement, the largest of which was the bombing of the Haifa railroad workshops in June 1946, in which 11 Lehi members were killed. After the Hebrew Resistance Movement broke up following Etzel's bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem on July 22, 1946, Lehi continued with its harassment and attrition policy.

In 1947, Lehi decided to concentrate its activities in Jerusalem so as to prevent implementation of the partition plan and internationalization of Jerusalem.

When the IDF was established on May 31, 1948, Lehi was disbanded and its members enlisted in the IDF. Only in Jerusalem did Lehi remain an independent organization, arguing that at the time of the proclamation of independence the city's fate had not yet been determined. On September 17, 1948, Swedish Count Folke Bernadotte, a UN mediator, was assassinated in Jerusalem, and Lehi members were suspected. The government outlawed the organization's branch in Jerusalem and shut down its publication, Hamivrak. The leaders of Lehi, Natan Yellin-Mor and Mattityahu Shmuelevitz, were sentenced to long jail terms by a military court, but were released in a general amnesty.

...At the same time, the Haganah further strengthened its independent basis during the war. A systematic program of training was instituted for the youth of the country. In 1941, the Haganah's first mobilized regiment, the Palmach came into being. At the end of the war, when it became clear that the British government had no intention of altering its anti-Zionist policy, the Haganah began an open, organized struggle against British Mandatory rule in the framework of a unified Jewish Resistance Movement, consisting of Haganah, Irgun Zevai Le'umi - Etzel, and Lohamei Herut Yisrael—Lehi.

Haganah branches were established at Jewish D.P. [displaced person] camps in Europe and Haganah members accompanied the “illegal” immigrant boats. In the spring of 1947, David Ben-Gurion took it upon himself to direct the general policy of the Haganah, especially in preparation for impending Arab attack. On May 26 1948, the Provisional Government of Israel decided to transform the Haganah into the regular army of the State, to be called “Zeva Haganah Le-Yisrael”—The Israel Defense Forces.

The Altalena, purchased by Irgun members abroad, was originally intended to reach Israel on May 15, 1948, loaded with fighters and military equipment. Weapons purchase and organizational matters took longer than expected, however, and the sailing was postponed for several weeks. Meanwhile, on June 1st, an agreement had been signed for the absorption of the Irgun into the IDF and one of the clauses stated that the Irgun had to cease all independent arms acquisition activities. Consequently, representatives of the Israel Government were informed about the ship and its sailing schedule.

http://www.etzel.org.il/english/

By studying history can we learn form our mistake but the IDF soldiers first came from those 3 terrorists groups, their tactic never changed, they are still terrorists more than ever but now we refer to them as the IDF, nifty little trick no, change the name and become honorable but deep down inside, the same terrorist idealogy still remains some 60 years after it's creation.

Does the Hezbollah seems so bad now for wanting to defend itself and their country from the oppressing Isralies like the Irgun, Lehi and Haganah did agains't the british policies & occupation at the time?

I just hate fucking double standards, It's ok for the Jews to have done it in the past but not ok for the Hammas and Hizbollah to do it now?

They are walking a fine line and those 2 IDF soldiers crossed it or are there Israel sacrificial lambs sent for the slaughter to give them an EXCUSE to bomb the shit out of Lebanon?

Pisser, FYI, that first family of 6 that were killed at the beginning of the conflict are from my city. If you would do a bit more reading instead of being spoonfed by the mainstream tv media, you would know that the river Jordan is almost dried up. It is predicted that in 2 years it will be unusable and where will Israel will get their water supply then? They were warned 10 years ago of this imminent water problem but did nothing to solve it. Strangely enough, Lebanon has plenty of fresh drinkable water, do the math.

[albed]

Originally Posted by Malk-a-mite

Ok, but how is this destroying them?

You apparently think the Israeli army is in Lebanon hugging and kissing them but in reality they're bombing and shelling and shooting them, which is fairly destructive.

Originally Posted by Malk-a-mite

How is another invasion and occupation by UN forces going to be any different this time?

This is an Israeli operation. Have you been smoking something weird?? You seem as confused as floyd.

[pisser]

Originally Posted by Malk-a-mite

Ok, but how is this destroying them? Hezbolla was a response to Isaeli forces in Lebenon back in the what, early 80s?

How is another invasion and occupation by UN forces going to be any different this time?

Note the Title: Israel is totally justified....

Hopefully, destroying their ability to be an effective terrorist orgainization is what I meant.

[pisser]

Originally Posted by miss_silver

Pisser, FYI, that first family of 6 that were killed at the beginning of the conflict are from my city. If you would do a bit more reading instead of being spoonfed by the mainstream tv media, you would know that the river Jordan is almost dried up. It is predicted that in 2 years it will be unusable and where will Israel will get their water supply then? They were warned 10 years ago of this imminent water problem but did nothing to solve it. Strangely enough, Lebanon has plenty of fresh drinkable water, do the math.

I have no idea where you are from, looks like canada, based on your Canuck thing next to your picture.

Rivers don't concern me, and they don't seem to concern Israel either.

So teach...where would you suggest I read???? Public Library????

[theknife]

Originally Posted by Malk-a-mite

Ok, but how is this destroying them? Hezbolla was a response to Isaeli forces in Lebenon back in the what, early 80s?

How is another invasion and occupation by UN forces going to be any different this time?

it won't destroy them and it's not any different then last time. what we are seeing now is yet another futile knee-jerk military response. regardless of intent, the primary impact will be civilian deaths...and every Arab that loses somebody then becomes another potential recruit for the cause of radical Islam. and on and on it goes.

Hezbollah is intertwined with the fabric of Lebanese society - unless you plan to kill them all, this latest incurion will solve nothing. as with every other military incursion in the Middle East for the last 60 years, this will simply perpetuate the cycle of violence.

it should be obvious by now that terrorism in the Middle East this cannot be eliminated militarily. if we had leadership with vision in this country, we might look toward the long-term goal of developing alternate fuel technology, which will ultimately render the Arab states (and Israel too) geopolitically irrelevant.

[Malk-a-mite]

Originally Posted by albed

You apparently think the Israeli army is in Lebanon hugging and kissing them but in reality they're bombing and shelling and shooting them, which is fairly destructive.

Which is the same thing that they did last time... so if it's so effective why are they doing it again?

This is an Israeli operation. Have you been smoking something weird?? You seem as confused as floyd.

Poorly constructed sentence on my part, invasion by Israel with the assumption of a UN lead peacekeeping force to enforce a buffer zone between the two at some point in the near future.

Better?

[Malk-a-mite]

Originally Posted by theknife

it should be obvious by now that terrorism in the Middle East this cannot be eliminated militarily. if we had leadership with vision in this country, we might look toward the long-term goal of developing alternate fuel technology, which will ultimately render the Arab states (and Israel too) geopolitically irrelevant.

Irrelevant for who? The US, Britian, China?

[miss_silver]

Originally Posted by pisser

I have no idea where you are from, looks like canada, based on your Canuck thing next to your picture.

Rivers don't concern me, and they don't seem to concern Israel either.

So teach...where would you suggest I read???? Public Library????

Pisser, i'm from Montreal if you must know.

And yes, it is a big deal that river does concern Israel. It is their MAIN water supply, as much as it is for Jordan and Syria for that matter. Your public library will not help you since they mostly carry the mainstream media papers. Here some reading about the matter.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4337341.stm

http://www.palestine-pmc.com/details.asp?cat=3&id=506

http://www.d-n-i.net/al_aqsa_intifada/collins_water.htm

Water is life, especially in a desertic region. Israel will stop at nothing for the survival of the state, even if this means invading neighbors to get what they need. They were warned and did nothing, they are brigning their own undoing by their inaction and are looking for an easyer solution, the Invasion of Lebanon.

[theknife]

Originally Posted by Malk-a-mite

Irrelevant for who? The US, Britian, China?

my point is that the real reason, way deep down, that we care about israel and the rest of the Middle East is oil - that is why the region is important. take oil out of the equation and, right or wrong, the Middle East, like Africa, ceases to be of geoplotical importance to the US. since we cannot solve thier problems, and they are not willing to make the concessions necessary to solve thier problems, let's figure out a way to not need the Middle East.

[RDixon]

"You can't fix stupid." Ron White

[floydian slip]

Originally Posted by albed

Have you been smoking something weird?? You seem as confused as floyd.

you picked a bad week to start huffing glue again

what nukes?

ahhh the good old days, having fun with albed

[miss_silver]

A very interesting point of view from a Rabbi

Neil Cavuto conducts what is perhaps the most important interview on earth today because it unequivocally trashes in no uncertain terms the diabolical HOAX that has tricked people of good will around the world into supporting the un-Godly abomination that calls itself a “Jewish state.”

FOX's Neil Cavuto asks whether Israel should exist and Rabbi Yisroel Weiss from Jews United Against Zionism tells Cavuto, and the world, how badly the state of Israel has f*cked things up for EVERYONE - both Jews and non-Jews.

Rabbi Weiss: This is the view that was shared throughout the past hundred years, when the whole movement of Zionism was created, the concept – the ideology – of transforming Judaism from spirituality, a religion, into materialism a nationalistic goal to have a piece of land, all the rabbinical authorities said this is antithetical with what Judaism is all about – expressly forbidden by the Torah because we are in exile by God.

Cavuto: So, you shouldn’t have a state? You shouldn’t have a country? You shouldn’t have a government?

We shouldn’t have a state. We should be living amongst all the nations as the Jews were doing for two thousand years as loyal citizens, people who are serving God, emulating God with compassion . . .

Contrary to what people believe, that it’s a religious conflict, we have been living for hundreds of years among Muslims and Arab communities without any UN human rights groups to watch…

Cavuto: Let me ask you this, Rabbi, was life better for the Jews prior to the creation of the Jewish state of Israel?

Weiss: 100%. In Palestine, we have the testimony of the Jewish community living there and other lands that they were living in harmony and they pleaded with the United Nations, in the documents we have, the chief Rabbi of Jerusalem said we do not want a Jewish state. The Muslim, Christian and Jewish inhabitants were ignored with the creation of the State . . .

Cavuto: Neverthless, you might not have had a country per se, but you were not a stranger to being abused or slaughtered over the millennia, particularly as recently as fifty sixty years ago?

Weiss: There is an issue of being killed because of anti-semitism, and then there’s another issue where you antagonize and you create your anti-semitism through Zionism . . . in other words, it’s not a free for all – you knock out your neighbors windows and yell anti-semitism.

Cavuto: I know you are an orthodox Jew, what do traditional Jews think of that position?

Weiss: [The mainstream Jewish view] is that, true, we shouldn’t be having a state, but once it’s created the Zionist propaganda that the Arabs want to throw every Jew into the ocean and there’s a ingrained hate against the Jews, which they’ve convinced many Jews to believe, this is why they’re fearful of returning the land . . .

Cavuto: Well you can’t blame them, right, I mean you have the president of Iran who says the Holocaust never existed and if he had his druthers he’d destroy Israel and all the Jews.

Weiss: That’s also patently false. He has a Jewish community in Iran and they haven’t murdered them when they had the opportunity to . . .

Cavuto: So, you don’t take him at his word that he would try to kill Jews?

Weiss: He would [want] the dismantling of the political state of Israel. In fact, we went, a whole group of Rabbis this last year to visit Iran, and we were taken up by the leaders, we met with the vice president, he [Ahmedinejad] was in Venezuela at the time, we met with religious leaders, all of them stated unequivocally that don’t have a conflict with [Jews]

Cavuto: So as long as Israel exists, Rabbi, you think – just itching for trouble

Weiss: Jews are suffering, Palestinians and Lea are suffering . . . we pray for the speedy and peaceful dismantlment of the Jewish state.

Cavuto: It’s interesting Rabbi, you don’t hear that view often.

No, we don’t. This clip needs to get around the world as fast as humanly possible.

It’s in your hands.

You can find the original interview here

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/launch...0Launch%20Page

[albed]

Originally Posted by Malk-a-mite

Which is the same thing that they did last time... so if it's so effective why are they doing it again?

Because it was so effective. It was the withdrawal that caused the present problems.

Originally Posted by Malk-a-mite

Poorly constructed sentence on my part, invasion by Israel with the assumption of a UN lead peacekeeping force to enforce a buffer zone between the two at some point in the near future.

Better?

Better than the former situation.

[pisser]

Originally Posted by miss_silver

Pisser, i'm from Montreal if you must know.

And yes, it is a big deal that river does concern Israel. It is their MAIN water supply, as much as it is for Jordan and Syria for that matter. Your public library will not help you since they mostly carry the mainstream media papers. Here some reading about the matter.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4337341.stm

http://www.palestine-pmc.com/details.asp?cat=3&id=506

http://www.d-n-i.net/al_aqsa_intifada/collins_water.htm

Water is life, especially in a desertic region. Israel will stop at nothing for the survival of the state, even if this means invading neighbors to get what they need. They were warned and did nothing, they are brigning their own undoing by their inaction and are looking for an easyer solution, the Invasion of Lebanon.

So this is about water? Pull your head out of your arse woman! It's bout terrorists. Period.

Funny how you say 'mainstream media' when you just put those links up from 'mainstream media'. If BBC isn't 'mainstream' I don't know what is.

Are you telling me 6 canadians were killed? IF so, they should have staying in Canada hugging trees with you.

Please don't send me crap form what environmentalists 'Warn' MIGHT happen.

It's just greenpeace propaganda!

Fuck Lebanon, they can all burn in hell as far as I'm concerned, and hopefully they can take Syria and Iran bastards with them!!!

[malvachat]

Originally Posted by pisser

Fuck Lebanon, they can all burn in hell as far as I'm concerned, and hopefully they can take Syria and Iran bastards with them!!!

I just love a good debate.