Leading Global Warming Skeptic changes mind after watching Al Gore Speak

[Nicobie]

All this really means is that our collective ability to predict the future is for shit.



YEP

[albed]

9 Inconvenient Lies

A british school official objected to the indoctrination of students with classroom showings of An Inconvenient Truth and took the matter to court. A judge allowed the showings but found 9 significant "errors" in the facts that must be disclosed before each showing.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...on/7037671.stm

Mr Gore's assertion that a sea-level rise of up to 20 feet would be in the near future.

Mr Gore's assertion that the disappearance of snow on Mount Kilimanjaro in East Africa was expressly attributable to global warming.

Mr Gore's reference that polar bears had actually drowned swimming long distances to find the ice when they were known to have been drowned by a storm.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle2633838.ece

A claim that atolls in the Pacific had already been evacuated was supported by “no evidence”, while to suggest that two graphs showing carbon dioxide levels and temperatures over the last 650,000 years were an “exact fit” overstated the case.

Mr Gore’s suggestion that the Gulf Stream, that warms up the Atlantic ocean, would shut down was contradicted by the International Panel on Climate Change’s assessment that it was “very unlikely” to happen.

The drying of Lake Chad, the loss of Mount Kilimanjaro’s snows and Hurricane Katrina were all blamed by Mr Gore on climate change but the judge said the scientific community had been unable to find evidence to prove there was a direct link.

The drying of Lake Chad, the judge said, was “far more likely to result from other factors, such as population increase and overgrazing, and regional climate variability”. Similarly, the judge took issue with the former Vice-President of the United States for attributing coral bleaching to climate change. Separating the direct impacts of climate change and other factors was difficult, the judgment concluded

[multi]

Originally Posted by Mazer

Environmentalists aren't lamenting global warming because they think arctic sea ice and glaciers are good, it's because they think change is bad.

Change isn't bad, not on its own, and it should not be feared..

for what it is worth.. the 'environmentalists' are pushing for a change in our output of pollutants that are helping to drive this climate change ...its the big corporations that invest millions into reinforcing the idea that it was all going to happen anyway that want to avoid change in our usage and consumption of fossil fuels ,plastics...etc

[Mazer]

Change isn't necessarily inconvenient, multi, but environmentalists base their claims on the assumption that it is. By avoiding discussions on the positive effects of climate change they get away with telling us that we must bear minor changes to our lifestyles to avert major changes to our climate. They fear the changes they have no direct control over, multi, and they're reacting out of that fear. They do so by forcing change, by taking control. To say the least, it's a stupid way of handling this situation.

[albed]

I think you have it backwards Mazer; the environmental movement has long been attempting to grab power by grossly exaggerating environmental causes and they finally found one that resonates with the ignorant majority. Their leaders personal disreguard for their proclaimed beliefs demonstrates that even they don't buy into the bullshit but are simply using the rhetoric to gain political support from the frightened simpletons.


People like multi are eager recruits because they already envy people who are successful enough to actually burn fossil fuels and they enjoy having a weapon against them, and of course they're completely ignorant of scientific principals.

[multi]

your anal presumptions are laughably wrong as usual, there is a whole spectrum of 'scientific principals' outside your pathetic egotistical mindset.

I envy 'people who are successful' ?
get a fucking clue you moron..

[multi]

It is what it is, and neither Mother Nature nor the Laws of Physics are open to negotiation.

http://www.paulchefurka.ca/WEAP/WEAP.html

In any event, if the conclusions of this model are anywhere close to correct all these arguments are moot. Energy constraints will trigger a reduction in population starting within 20 years, and the impact of those constraints will far exceed anything that such humanitarian measures could accomplish. In fact, if the model is correct, there will be no ongoing overpopulation problem at all, as natural processes intervene to bring our numbers back in line with our resource base.

This leaves the question of what such a population decline would look and feel like. The details of such a profound experience are impossible to predict, but it's safe to say it will be catastrophic far beyond anything humanity has experienced. The loss of life alone beggars belief. In the most serious part of the decline, during the two or three decades spanning the middle of this century, even with a net birth rate of zero we might expect death rates between 100 million and 150 million per year. To put this in perspective, World War II caused 10 million excess deaths per year, and lasted a scant 6 years. This could be 50 times worse. Of course, a raw statement of excess deaths doesn't speak to the risk this will pose to the fabric of civilization itself.

[albed]

Oh no! Quick multi, start running around in circles and shrieking hysterically.


Even though predictions of global catastrophe have been circulating for centuries there's never a shortage of gullible fools to believe them.


I'll bet multi was around when "The Population Bomb" came out, though he's probably long since forgotten about it.

[multi]

oh yeh... sure
ZPG and future shock too..

what of it?

There also is never a shortage of gullible fools to promote world wide conflict to keep the endless loop of fossil fuels driving the worlds economy...

so.. even if global warming can't be stopped/it's not the fault of human industrialization / it is actually preventing the onset of another ice age... "Not actually linked to regional events." ...etc,etc

how about still getting rid of all the oil burning crap so we can all walk down the street and breathe again... you know
breathe
air?

how about quadrupling the penalties for huge filthy rich corporations that pollute the oceans and water tables with chemicals...

of course not...to change these things would mean legitimizing some concern for future generations on this planet and that to change these things ...well, it would seem is not rational or logical... being based on a few hysterical rantings of a few supposed scientists and researchers. Much more rational is to advocate the continuation any ongoing wars for oil and continued dependence on all things dug out of the ground.

[albed]

Originally Posted by multi

There also is never a shortage of gullible fools to promote world wide conflict to keep the endless loop of fossil fuels driving the worlds economy...

Hmmm, so you think fossil fuels are an "endless loop" while most people think they're finite consumables. Who could be right?

Originally Posted by multi

how about still getting rid of all the oil burning crap so we can all walk down the street and breathe again... you know
breathe
air?

So you can't breathe air where you live. Boy you'd think the media would have run this news to death. But maybe it's all in your fucked up mind. What could it be, what could it be....I'll go with the fucked up mind. Or maybe you're just simply lying to make your point like so many people do nowdays like Al Gore.

Originally Posted by multi

how about quadrupling the penalties for huge filthy rich corporations that pollute the oceans and water tables with chemicals...

If your capacity for learning wasn't so severly impaired you'd have learned that corporations are owned by stockholders, most of whom aren't that rich, and are made up of employees, most of whom aren't that rich, and of course you'd learn that penalties just get passed on to customers. So many things you'll never learn because you just don't have that ability.

Originally Posted by multi

of course not...to change these things would mean legitimizing some concern for future generations on this planet and that to change these things ...well, it would seem is not rational or logical... being based on a few hysterical rantings of a few supposed scientists and researchers. Much more rational is to advocate the continuation any ongoing wars for oil and continued dependence on all things dug out of the ground.

Well my country has become much less polluted over the last forty years as well as much wealthier and I assume yours has too, though I wouldn't expect you to know anything like that, so "future generations" will do fine based on facts and reason instead of lies and stupidity. But feel free to kill your offspring to spare them the horrible future you think awaits and we'll all be even better off then.

[multi]

why don't you kill your fucked up whore of a mother for giving birth to fucking scumbag like you ... idiot

[albed]

My mother gave birth to a productive citizen, not a burdensome parasite who spends his life fantasizing about successful, productive people being reduced to miserable failures like he's become. It's pathetic the way you hunt up every crackpot site on the web to read that everyone else in the world will soon be as miserable as you've made yourself instead of going out and working to better your own life. You're just a self-indulgent failure multi, living off the labor of the people you despise with noone to force you to face reality and either do something productive or starve. Maybe that's why you hate them, because they won't kick your lazy ass out of the miserable pit you're stuck in and make you face the struggles and experience the satisfaction of supporting yourself.

[multi]

wow .. you sure know alot about me, how do you do it ?

prey tell..
what miserable pit am I stuck in ?
and how is it keeping me from supporting myself ?

you can speculate about how I live all you like fucknuts...


you on the other hand are the epitome of a sucky little mommies boy.. Sad for you that you have picked up all her arrogance and perceived superiority but thats the way it goes when you never really had a mind of your own. Of course you think I hate productive people because you pretend you are successful and come in here daily and play out the utterly stuck-up c**t... like a true self-indulgent failure would, you might think you are being clever ,constantly flipping them off with your superior intelligence ... but you even come across as a failure at trying to do that but it's a laugh ,keep it up

[Ramona_A_Stone]

Originally Posted by albed

My mother gave birth to a productive citizen...

Originally Posted by albed

fuck if mom tells me to kill one of them I'll do it...maybe all of them.

[multi]

Britain's oil production peaked in 1999 and has already dropped by half to about 1.6 million barrels a day.

The report presents a bleak view of the future unless a radically different approach is adopted. It quotes the British energy economist David Fleming as saying: "Anticipated supply shortages could lead easily to disturbing scenes of mass unrest as witnessed in Burma this month. For government, industry and the wider public, just muddling through is not an option any more as this situation could spin out of control and turn into a complete meltdown of society."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/oil/story/...d=networkfront

[albed]

Yeah, before oil was discovered life on earth was one continuous riot just like in Burma where the government murdered hundreds of it's people for wanting freedom...I mean oil. Yeah just like Burma. All the time.

[multi]

The tenuous economic position of most Burmese families has made fuel a trigger issue. The current unrest dates back to August 15, when the military junta increased the official price of fuel without warning — compressed natural gas increased 500 per cent, diesel doubled and petrol rose 67 per cent — leading to protests by pro-democracy activists.

When they were arrested the monks took over — at first, calling for relief for the people from economic hardship, only later for greater democratic freedoms.

The taxi driver who queues each day in Rangoon has a receipt book that allows him two gallons a day (60 gallons — 227 litres — a month); in Mandalay, the next biggest city, the quota is smaller, only six gallons a week. A government official gets a three gallon per day quota. At the military depot, the Rangoon regional commander gets more than he needs — a quota of 90,000 gallons a month.

"Regional commanders get rich because they sell their quotas," said a Rangoon-based economic analyst. "They have their own fuel reserves, but they get 90,000 gallons a month, and at least 50 per cent of that is sold on the black market."

They would share the profits with their senior commanders, he said.

Burma has significant natural gas resources but it imports all its petrol and diesel.

And while the military reaps rich profits from selling their quotas on the black market, the Ministry of Energy subsidises the price of petrol — and manages to lose money on each transaction.

This is because the ministry buys fuel internationally in US dollars but sells in the local currency, the kyat. The problem for the ministry is it cannot then use the internationally worthless kyat to buy the next round of fuel, so is forced to buy US dollars on the black market in Burma at inflated prices.

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[Drakonix]

From Wikipedia:

Democratic rule ended in 1962 when General Ne Win led a military coup d'état. He ruled for nearly 26 years and pursued policies under the rubric of the Burmese Way to Socialism. In 1974, the military violently suppressed anti-government protests at the funeral of U Thant.

In 1988, unrest over economic mismanagement and political oppression by the government led to widespread pro-democracy demonstrations throughout the country known as the 8888 Uprising. Security forces committed the massacre of hundreds of demonstrators, and General Saw Maung staged a coup d'état and formed the State Law and Order Restoration Council (SLORC). In 1989, SLORC declared martial law after widespread protests. The military government finalized plans for People’s Assembly elections on 31 May 1989.[25]

These are excellent examples of socialism in practice and they illustrate how it does not work.

[naz]

global warming is a myth. In fact, if you take the temps since human created carbon was introduced, graph it and turn it upside down, it's actually been getting colder. think about it ...

[albed]

But if you stand on your head it starts warming again. Strange isn't it?







If you don't know how to spell "dioxide" here you are.

And if you don't want to be completely ignorant about fossil fuels here's a brief pointer: they were once carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. Yep.