Breaking It Down

[Ramona_A_Stone]

It occurred to me this morning to put this list together--the trend seemed obvious enough in a superficial and unexamined way, but I was surprised to see such a stark symmetry emerge--or should I say the cream floating to the top? Of course I'll be the first to admit that the concept of 'average IQ' (here derived from an official accumulated average of SAT scores) is a fairly amorphous consideration as applied to such results, still I found it curious and highly amusing as well as a source of optimism. Just wanted to share.




(Ranking) State.......by.....Average IQ - Winning Candidate

(1) Connecticut..............113 - Kerry
(2) Massachusetts..........111 - Kerry
(3) New Jersey...............111 - Kerry
(4) New York.................109 - Kerry
(5) Rhode Island............107 - Kerry
(6) Hawaii.....................106 - Kerry
(7) Maryland..................105 - Kerry
(8) New Hampshire.........105 - Kerry
(9) Illinois......................104 - Kerry
(10) Delaware................103 - Kerry
(11) Minnesota...............102 - Kerry
(12) Vermont.................102 - Kerry
(13) Washington.............102 - Kerry
(14) California................101 - Kerry
(15) Pennsylvania...........101 - Kerry
(16) Maine.....................100 - Kerry
(17) Virginia...................100 - Bush
(18) Wisconsin................100 - Kerry
(19) Colorado..................99 - Bush
(20) Iowa.......................99 - Bush*
(21) Michigan..................99 - Kerry
(22) Nevada....................99 - Bush
(23) Ohio........................99 - Bush
(24) Oregon....................99 - Kerry
(25) Alaska.....................98 - Bush
(26) Florida.....................98 - Bush
(27) Missouri...................98 - Bush
(28) Kansas....................96 - Bush
(29) Nebraska.................95 - Bush
(30) Arizona....................94 - Bush
(31) Indiana....................94 - Bush
(32) Tennessee...............94 - Bush
(33) North Carolina...........93 - Bush
(34) West Virginia............93 - Bush
(35) Arkansas..................92 - Bush
(36) Georgia....................92 - Bush
(37) Kentucky.................92 - Bush
(38) New Mexico..............92 - Bush*
(39) North Dakota............92 - Bush
(40) Texas.......................92 - Bush
(41) Alabama...................90 - Bush
(42) Louisiana..................90 - Bush
(43) Montana...................90 - Bush
(44) Oklahoma..................90 - Bush
(45) South Dakota............90 - Bush
(46) South Carolina...........89 - Bush
(47) Wyoming..................89 - Bush
(48) Idaho.......................87 - Bush
(49) Utah.........................87 - Bush
(50) Mississippi.................85 - Bush

*not officially called as of 4:41 ET, but apparent

[Sinner]

Average IQ by State - a hoax!!!



The IQ's below cannot be verified, and have become a well publicized Internet hoax. Click to see verified state IQ scores, compared to 2003 income and Bush-Gore votes. The original email with it's appealing political "story" is below the chart. The main problem with this hoax data is its overly wide spread of IQ


http://sq.4mg.com/IQstates.htm




They just replaced Gores name with Kerry ---- duh

[albed]

That's just pathetic Ramona. Didn't you have an imagination once?

[Fantom]

Giving credit where it's due, the original hoax didn't have any words quite so cool as 'amorphous'.

[Ramona_A_Stone]

lol, omg, A HOAX!!! A HOAX!!!

The funniest part of this is Sinner googled up the same site I did for the figures, and as he surely knows from the intensive probe, using the "revised" figures provided by the infinitely more authoritative source of VanSloan@Yahoo (snicker) those actually reconfigure the chart thusly:

• 104 IQ

New Hampshire - Kerry

• 103 IQ

Oregon - Kerry
Massachusetts - Kerry
Wisconsin - Kerry

• 102 IQ

Colorado - Bush
Connecticut - Kerry
Illinois - Kerry
Iowa - Bush
Kansas - Bush
Minnesota - Kerry
Montana - Bush
Nebraska - Bush
North Dakota - Bush
Oklahoma - Bush
Vermont - Bush
Washington - Bush

• 101 IQ

Alaska - Bush
Maryland - Kerry
Michigan - Kerry
Missouri - Bush
New York - Kerry
Ohio - Bush
Utah - Bush
Wyoming - Bush

• 100 IQ

Arizona - Bush
California - Kerry
Idaho - Bush
Maine - Kerry
Nevada - Bush
New Jersey - Kerry
Pennsylvania - Kerry
Rhode Island - Kerry
South Dakota - Bush
Virginia - Bush
West Virginia - Bush

• 99 IQ

Delaware - Kerry
Hawaii - Kerry
Indiana - Bush

• 98 IQ

Florida - Bush
Arkansas - Bush

• 97 IQ

Alabama - Bush
Georgia - Bush
Kentucky - Bush
Louisiana - Bush
North Carolina - Bush
Tennessee - Bush
Texas - Bush

• 96 IQ

New Mexico - Bush

• 94 IQ

Mississippi - Bush
South Carolina - Bush

...which I submit, still shows an interesting bit of a top to bottom trend, even though the fuzziness in the middle makes it not quite as funny.

Alas the joke is ruined altogether if you look at the individual PDFs by state at collegeboard.com for the mean SAT scores, which I did, and which virtually stands the chart symmetrically on its head, for 2004 anyway, with IA, AL, KS and KY near the top and MA, NY and CA near the bottom.

Now, how seriously are you prepared to take that data?

In fact, according to some of the more thoughtful of the roughly 5 Billion websites which discuss it, apparently the chart Bill Well used actually seems to be more closely related to average per capita income per state*, which is of course is implicitly linked to the number of people completing higher education. According to the U.S. Dept. of Commerce, Bureau of Economic Analysis, in 2004 that chart looks like this:

State - *
Connecticut..........43,292*
New Jersey...........40,002
Massachusetts......39,408
Maryland...............37,424
New York...............36,296
New Hampshire......34,703
Colorado................34,510
Minnesota.............34,039
Virginia..................33,651
California................33,403
Delaware................33,321
Washington............33,264
Alaska...................33,254
Illinois....................33,205
Wyoming................32,235
Rhode Island...........31,937
Pennsylvania...........31,706
Nevada....................31,487
Michigan..................31,196
Wisconsin................30,723
Hawaii.....................30,589
Vermont..................30,534
Nebraska................30,331
Florida....................29,972
Ohio.......................29,953
Kansas...................29,545
Georgia...................29,259
Missouri..................29,094
Texas.....................29,076
Maine.....................28,935
Oregon...................28,806
Indiana....................28,797
Tennessee...............28,565
North Dakota............28,521
Iowa........................28,398
North Carolina...........28,301
South Dakota............28,299
Arizona....................26,931
Oklahoma.................26,567
Kentucky..................26,352
Alabama...................26,276
South Carolina...........26,138
Louisiana...................26,038
Montana....................25,775
Idaho.........................25,583
New Mexico.............. 25,502
Utah..........................25,230
West Virginia.............24,672
Arkansas...................24,296
Mississippi................23,343
New Mexico..............25,502
Utah.........................25,230
West Virginia.............24,672

Voodoo!

On the other hand, you can go to www.census.gov yourself and surf state by state (under Social Characteristics) for a breakdown of the percentages of the population attaining a bachelor's degree or higher.* This is what those figures were in 2003, and how they voted in 2004:

State - *

Massachusetts 35.8*
Colorado 34.7
Connecticut 34.6
Maryland 34.5
Virginia 32.2
New Jersey 32.1
Vermont 32.0
Minnesota 30.6
New Hampshire 30.3
Washington 30.2
New York 29.7
California 29.1
Rhode Island 29.1
Kansas 28.7
Hawaii 28.2
Illinois 28.1
Delaware 27.6
Alaska 26.6
Oregon 26.4
Utah 26.2
Maine 25.9
Montana 25.8
Georgia 25.7
Nebraska 25.3
Florida 25.0
North Dakota 25.0
North Carolina 24.3
Texas 24.5
Arizona 24.3
Michigan 24.3
Pennsylvania 24.2
Missouri 24.1
Idaho 24.0
Wisconsin 23.8
New Mexico 23.7
Wyoming 23.7
South Carolina 23.2
South Dakota 23.1
Ohio 23.0
Iowa 22.5
Oklahoma 21.9
Tennessee 21.5
Louisiana 21.3
Alabama 21.2
Indiana 21.0
Nevada 19.5
Arkansas 19.0
Mississippi 18.7
Kentucky 18.6
West Virginia 17.0

If you want to argue the basic veracity of that data, you can take it up with the Census Bureau, and if you still can't see a bit of trend you might want to clean your monitor--even though I'm really not insisting it has any particularly exotic meaning.

After all as summa you fellers might be likely to point out, them book-learned edumicated peeple what done gone off to them dang old liberal colleges ain't no account no how.

P.S. to albed, I have no imagination? lol, you wouldn't recognize imagination if it flew a squadron of B52s directly up your ass.

[Sinner]

off-topic


Father Daughter Talk

A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat, and was very much in favor of the redistribution of wealth. She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Republican, a feeling she openly expressed.


Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.

One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the addition of more government welfare programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father.


He responded by asking her how she was doing in school. Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, and let him know that it was tough to maintain, insisting that she was taking a very difficult course load and was constantly studying, which left her no time to go out and party like other people she knew. She didn't even have time for a boyfriend, and didn't really have many college friends because she spent all her time studying.

Her father listened and then asked, "How is your friend Audrey doing?" She replied, "Audrey is barely getting by. All she takes are easy classes, she never studies, and she barely has a 2.0 GPA. She is so popular on campus, college for her is a blast. She's always invited to all the parties, and lots of times she doesn't even show up for classes because she's too hung over."

Her wise father asked his daughter, "Why don't you go to the Dean's office and ask him to deduct a 1.0 off your 4.0 GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of GPA."

The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired back, "That wouldn't be fair! I have worked really hard for my grades! I've invested a lot of time, and a lot of hard work! Audrey has done next to nothing toward her degree. She played while I worked my tail off!"

The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, "Welcome to the Republican Party."

[daddydirt]

Originally Posted by Ramona_A_Stone

After all as summa you fellers might be likely to point out, them book-learned edumicated peeple what done gone off to them dang old liberal colleges ain't no account no how.

stoner, you gotta admit that there's a shitload of idiots out there with college degrees.

shucks, all them thar smarts and not a lick a common sense.

[Gutrguy]

http://www.tnimc.org/newswire/display/3347/index.php

[daddydirt]

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[Nicobie]

Washingtion DC voted 90% kerry, 10% bush.

Don't u think they voted their jobs? Hahahahahahhhaaa~~

I figure, that they figured, that they just might be on the way out.

Can I spell buerocrats?


I hope Bush fires every damn govmnt worker who hasn't ever, and could never care less about helping us taxpayers.

[Nicobie]

Black people voted 9 to 1 in favor of Kerry.

Brown people voted about 50\50

Yellow people voted Bush 6 to 5



Is there a way to punch in IQ numbers with these voting results?

I can't believe it's just a racial thing?

[ab-NORM-al]

Originally Posted by Nicobie

I hope Bush fires everyone of the govmnt (not ever even once thied to work)worker.

[Nicobie]

Originally Posted by ab-NORM-al

I know, I know.... read it again pls.



edit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[RoBoBoy]

Originally Posted by Nicobie

Black people voted 9 to 1 in favor of Kerry.

Brown people voted about 50\50

Yellow people voted Bush 6 to 5



Is there a way to punch in IQ numbers with these voting results?

I can't believe it's just a racial thing?

And what are the stats on those that voted for a 3rd party candidate.


Do the grades go that low?