No Tower? No Problem. Wireless PDAs Get Their Own P2P Network - P2P-Zone

JackSpratts · 19-10-02, 07:32 PM

Take out the cell phone tower networks that Personal Digital Assistants rely on for communicating and you’re left with isolated and expensive paper weights - until now that is. A company called Green Packet Inc has announced the first (to my knowledge) self organizing P2P community for wireless PDAs. It allows chat, voice, gaming and (cough) sharing between any tower networked or non-tower networked PDAs running their software (hello RIAA). The company says speeds can go higher than a megabyte! Info, flash commercial and beta download.

Wow. No ISP. This could be something else entirely.

- js.

Mazer · 20-10-02, 07:21 PM

This is good news. I always imagined that if the RIAA and MPAA had their way and P2P was shut out of the internet then people would form a second internet connecting directly with dial up modems. Of course, to do that each computer would need multiple modems and multiple phone lines to build the network.

But with Wi-Fi you only need one card to make multiple connections, and it doesn't need a hard-wire infrastructure. Eventually open source projects will pop up that will do what Green Packet is doing here. Neighborhood wireless networks will form all around the world that will become more interconnected as more users bridge the gaps in between. A wireless internet will form parallel to the hard wire internet with millions of cross connections to unite them.

JackSpratts · 20-10-02, 07:45 PM

absolutely. and if it works as well as advertised it won't be long before it migrates beyond pdas. far beyond. with speeds comparable to cable and DSL or faster, we'll be putting these on our desktops. at least people in more populated areas will, like me.
kinda hard to it shut down i would think if there’s no central server to close and no isp to muscle. who's going to cough up your ip anyway, and how? is there even one in the normal sense? seems pretty secure and anonymous to me (but i'll defer to someone like tankgirl for more on that).

This I like. A lot.

- js.

TankGirl · 20-10-02, 09:38 PM

Thanks for the story, Jack!

This is a very positive technical development. Alternative communication and networking channels bypassing the ISPs altogether hold a great promise for filesharing and p2p. This kind of truly decentralized infrastructure is very hard to control by any vested interests, and it is easy to imagine new kind of file and stream sharing networks developing into densely populated areas as Jack suggested.

Much of what applies to decentralized p2p networks in general would also apply to Wi-Fi networks. To build secure personal and group relations you would need permanent and verifiable identities and encrypted communications, and you would also need some basic protection mechanisms against hostile nodes. But it would be a great advantage to not have your connectivity (and the disclosing of your real world identity) at the mercy of your ISP. Good stuff for us, bad stuff for the copyright nazis!

- tg

JackSpratts · 26-10-02, 01:06 PM

New P2P announcement for hand helds. - js.

By Mark Long -e-inSITE

VL Inc. has released version 2.0 of the company's VoIP technology for handheld devices. Developed for use with the Pocket PC and Windows CE operating systems,

PocketGphone 2.0 features SIP compliance as well as a low latency of just 50 ms.

The recent emergence of the 802.11/Wi-Fi standard has enabled cost effective deployment of unregulated wireless broadband networks. Consumers and enterprises are utilizing these new networks with Windows Powered Pocket PC and Windows CE-based devices to work and communicate in entirely new ways.

According to the company, PocketGphone enables real-time, two way voice calling/chat as a complement to mobile data applications such as warehouse/inventory management. For consumers using Windows-powered Pocket PC and Windows CE-based devices in conjunction with 802.11 Hot Spots, the technology has been designed to enable real-time, two-way voice calling as well as on-line gaming applications.

Requiring a minimum bandwidth of 32 Kbit/sec bandwidth, the NAT/peer-to-peer compatible VoIP technology can either be deployed in a voice-only mode, or as an integrated add-on to existing mobile data applications. In addition, PocketGphone 2.0 can be deployed as a stand-alone client-to-client offering (i.e. open network p2p file sharing. - jack.), or with the company's Gphone Lobby Server, which adds user, address book and IP management capabilities.

"The small footprint, low latency, low bandwidth requirements, peer to peer architecture along with SIP and NAT compliance of PocketGphone 2.0 gives OEMs, VARs and Integrators a tremendous opportunity to add voice as a differentiator to their Windows Powered Pocket PC and Windows CE-based solutions using 802.11 wireless networks," said president and CEO Bingwei Yao in a statement.
http://www.e-insite.net/eb-mag/index...spacedesc=news

Mazer · 26-10-02, 01:32 PM

So not only will we put the ISP's out of business, we won't even need a telephone anymore.

[Dark] · 27-10-02, 05:54 AM

its very easy to get free internet thru wardriving, just get a wireless network card for your box, and look up wardriving with google....it will take you longer to put the card in than it will before your link'd up to a wireless network and surf'n the net.....

how do i know this.....i did it to my buddies computer....downfall, you have to live in a highly populated area, with a business or college close by that has a wireless network.....

and i do know that this has nothing to do with those cell phone tower deal ya'll are talk'n bout....but how many mp3's can you hold on a pda????

zombywoof · 27-10-02, 06:59 AM

The telephone isn't going anywhere.

Mazer · 27-10-02, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by oscar
The telephone isn't going anywhere.

Not without a big, long extension cord anyway.

jaan · 27-10-02, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DarkManX
how many mp3's can you hold on a pda????

in a few years, all of them.

- jaan

19-10-02, 07:32 PM	#1
JackSpratts Join Date: May 2001 Location: New England Posts: 10,018	No Tower? No Problem. Wireless PDAs Get Their Own P2P Network Take out the cell phone tower networks that Personal Digital Assistants rely on for communicating and you’re left with isolated and expensive paper weights - until now that is. A company called Green Packet Inc has announced the first (to my knowledge) self organizing P2P community for wireless PDAs. It allows chat, voice, gaming and (cough) sharing between any tower networked or non-tower networked PDAs running their software (hello RIAA). The company says speeds can go higher than a megabyte! Info, flash commercial and beta download. Wow. No ISP. This could be something else entirely. - js.

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20-10-02, 07:21 PM	#2
Mazer Earthbound misfit Join Date: May 2001 Location: Moses Lake, Washington Posts: 2,563	This is good news. I always imagined that if the RIAA and MPAA had their way and P2P was shut out of the internet then people would form a second internet connecting directly with dial up modems. Of course, to do that each computer would need multiple modems and multiple phone lines to build the network. But with Wi-Fi you only need one card to make multiple connections, and it doesn't need a hard-wire infrastructure. Eventually open source projects will pop up that will do what Green Packet is doing here. Neighborhood wireless networks will form all around the world that will become more interconnected as more users bridge the gaps in between. A wireless internet will form parallel to the hard wire internet with millions of cross connections to unite them.

20-10-02, 07:45 PM	#3
JackSpratts Join Date: May 2001 Location: New England Posts: 10,018	absolutely. and if it works as well as advertised it won't be long before it migrates beyond pdas. far beyond. with speeds comparable to cable and DSL or faster, we'll be putting these on our desktops. at least people in more populated areas will, like me. kinda hard to it shut down i would think if there’s no central server to close and no isp to muscle. who's going to cough up your ip anyway, and how? is there even one in the normal sense? seems pretty secure and anonymous to me (but i'll defer to someone like tankgirl for more on that). This I like. A lot. - js.

20-10-02, 09:38 PM	#4
TankGirl Madame Comrade Join Date: May 2000 Location: Area 25 Posts: 5,587	Thanks for the story, Jack! This is a very positive technical development. Alternative communication and networking channels bypassing the ISPs altogether hold a great promise for filesharing and p2p. This kind of truly decentralized infrastructure is very hard to control by any vested interests, and it is easy to imagine new kind of file and stream sharing networks developing into densely populated areas as Jack suggested. Much of what applies to decentralized p2p networks in general would also apply to Wi-Fi networks. To build secure personal and group relations you would need permanent and verifiable identities and encrypted communications, and you would also need some basic protection mechanisms against hostile nodes. But it would be a great advantage to not have your connectivity (and the disclosing of your real world identity) at the mercy of your ISP. Good stuff for us, bad stuff for the copyright nazis! - tg

26-10-02, 01:06 PM	#5
JackSpratts Join Date: May 2001 Location: New England Posts: 10,018	New P2P announcement for hand helds. - js. By Mark Long -e-inSITE VL Inc. has released version 2.0 of the company's VoIP technology for handheld devices. Developed for use with the Pocket PC and Windows CE operating systems, PocketGphone 2.0 features SIP compliance as well as a low latency of just 50 ms. The recent emergence of the 802.11/Wi-Fi standard has enabled cost effective deployment of unregulated wireless broadband networks. Consumers and enterprises are utilizing these new networks with Windows Powered Pocket PC and Windows CE-based devices to work and communicate in entirely new ways. According to the company, PocketGphone enables real-time, two way voice calling/chat as a complement to mobile data applications such as warehouse/inventory management. For consumers using Windows-powered Pocket PC and Windows CE-based devices in conjunction with 802.11 Hot Spots, the technology has been designed to enable real-time, two-way voice calling as well as on-line gaming applications. Requiring a minimum bandwidth of 32 Kbit/sec bandwidth, the NAT/peer-to-peer compatible VoIP technology can either be deployed in a voice-only mode, or as an integrated add-on to existing mobile data applications. In addition, PocketGphone 2.0 can be deployed as a stand-alone client-to-client offering (i.e. open network p2p file sharing. - jack.), or with the company's Gphone Lobby Server, which adds user, address book and IP management capabilities. "The small footprint, low latency, low bandwidth requirements, peer to peer architecture along with SIP and NAT compliance of PocketGphone 2.0 gives OEMs, VARs and Integrators a tremendous opportunity to add voice as a differentiator to their Windows Powered Pocket PC and Windows CE-based solutions using 802.11 wireless networks," said president and CEO Bingwei Yao in a statement. http://www.e-insite.net/eb-mag/index...spacedesc=news

26-10-02, 01:32 PM	#6
Mazer Earthbound misfit Join Date: May 2001 Location: Moses Lake, Washington Posts: 2,563	So not only will we put the ISP's out of business, we won't even need a telephone anymore.

27-10-02, 05:54 AM	#7
[Dark] 1981 - 2003 Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 2,126	its very easy to get free internet thru wardriving, just get a wireless network card for your box, and look up wardriving with google....it will take you longer to put the card in than it will before your link'd up to a wireless network and surf'n the net..... how do i know this.....i did it to my buddies computer....downfall, you have to live in a highly populated area, with a business or college close by that has a wireless network..... and i do know that this has nothing to do with those cell phone tower deal ya'll are talk'n bout....but how many mp3's can you hold on a pda????

27-10-02, 06:59 AM	#8
zombywoof Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 2,160	The telephone isn't going anywhere.