Large or small versions of movies - P2P-Zone

napho · 07-05-02, 01:37 PM

Most of the movies on FastTrack are under 500mb with around 250 being the norm. eDonkey has mostly 700mb+ versions. Which do you prefer and why?
I don't mind the small version for throwaway films but a big special effects pic deserves higher quality.

AYB · 07-05-02, 02:10 PM

I refuse to watch the small ones myself

pod · 07-05-02, 02:39 PM

Well, obviously the bigger one are higher quality (higher bitrate). The image itself may look just as good on the small one, but the actual size of the picture will be bigger, so you can go full-screen with no problems. 534 (or something like that) and up (640 and 712 are common widths as well) is pretty standard for a 700mb file and you can throw it on a VCD. Finally, the smaller ones are usually ASF files, which tend to get terrible audio sync problems, either due to crappy encoding, the players or the format itself.

Standard movies (~2 hours) will usually come on 1 or 2 cds (700mb+ files). At 2 cds you're looking at pretty good picture quality (few artifacts) and good sound, maybe even an AC3 track.

Dawn · 07-05-02, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AYB
I refuse to watch the small ones myself

Same here. If I can't get one around 700mb, I skip it.

twinspan · 07-05-02, 03:12 PM

usually the under-500mb ones are camcorder recordings, where speed (getting it from the theatre to the net) is more important than quality.

the 650mb and above are usually rips of DVDs/VCDs etc, months or years after cinema release.

I just can't take the cams and go for the rips, but then I got DSL; for others I guess there'll always be a place for smaller files.

Also I go for the rips coz I usually only d/l movies that crashed my PC when I rent them on DVD. F#k Hollywood if they're gonna press sh1tty discs!

I just wish people would make sure to mention when it's a cam so I could avoid it.

(I got tricked once assuming a 630mb file was rip; instead I got perspective, sync trouble and Chinese/Malay subtitles & chitchat).

But it will all be better soon with the help of Sig2Dat, FastTrack's P2P Movies and FastTrack Central... until Sharman screw things up again at least.

Dawn · 07-05-02, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by twinspan

the 650mb and above are usually rips of DVDs/VCDs etc, months or years after cinema release.

Evidently you don't use the same edonkey that I use. I get the movies there almost as soon as they are released in theaters. Not all of them that soon after release, but if they aren't there right away, its not long before they are there.

Dawn · 07-05-02, 03:38 PM

Did that make sense?

AYB · 07-05-02, 03:41 PM

Aye I've noticed a lot of "DVD Screener" rips around, nice quality with a handy little "this is only for official screenings" (or such like) message

HaXor · 07-05-02, 04:31 PM

I have not had any problems with movies about 150mb etc... I know the quality aint gonna be great, but its not bad for a movie like, say "attack of the clones" which aint out yet, at least its watchable. But if the movie is out, its best to get a dvd rip.

One thing I have noticed though, is that the quality of my movies depend on what graphics card I use.
My "Geforce" is shit at movies, too blocky especially on cam jobs, but with my "ATI" the quality is far better, blocks are almost unoticable.

But at the end of the day, can WE complain? are we paying for theses movies? - just be greatfull for what you get - I am.

H@Xor

BuzzB2K · 07-05-02, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dawn
Did that make sense?

As much as it ever does, dear...

(OK go ahead and spank me now... I deserve it

)

twinspan · 08-05-02, 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dawn
Did that make sense?

well

it confused me. (not that THAT takes much

)

are you saying that as soon as the movie is out in the cinema/"theeder", you're finding 650MB DVD rips on eDonkey???

Damn, I'm impressed, I should run the Donk more often.

Dawn · 08-05-02, 07:59 AM

Yep, and sometimes even before its released

Dawn · 08-05-02, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BuzzB2K

(OK go ahead and spank me now... I deserve it )

BuzzB2K · 08-05-02, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dawn

Thank You... May I have another?

AYB · 08-05-02, 05:37 PM

While they're being handed out...

napho · 08-05-02, 09:06 PM

These are a few that are out on eDonkey. Spiderman is 2gb.

Dawn · 08-05-02, 09:56 PM

At napho's suggestion, I just tried Direct Connect. I must say I am impressed! I've found most all the movies I was after in the large size, and the download speeds are incredibly fast compared to Edonkey. For instance, I was getting Blade 2 on Edonkey at around 10 kb; on Direct Connect it's coming in at 51 kb.

Great program so far.

JohnDoe345 · 09-05-02, 03:13 AM

I guess it depends on how soon you want it. Depending on how many sources I get, the smaller ones on FastTrack I can download within an hour or 2. The quality isn't all too bad as long as you don't watch it in full screen. You can also always choose "fit to screen" in media player and keep increasing the size until it's close to the point where it's no longer tolerable. I guess for movies with a lot of special affects and fast camera scenes then you might want to get a better quality version.

Although, with some p2p programs it is a little disappointing when it takes maybe a day or more to download a movie only to find out that it sucked. Basically, if I like a movie then I start searching for better copies or make my way to the theatres. I guess I consider the smaller ones like a preview without much invested time. Although, I find eDonkey great for when I want to collect high quality rips....good things are worth waiting for.

Quote:

I just tried Direct Connect

DC can be nice as long as you find someone fast to download from. A lot of broadband user especially cable modems have an upload cap so usually get around 10-12kb. What makes it worst is that many hubs require that you share more then one upload slot and for users like me who have upload caps our bandwidth is further divided so that users upload at about 3-4kb from me. On the average the users I download from are in the same situation, but I have been lucky a few times. What hub are going into Dawn? It's nice to find a hub with a lot of T1 and T3 lines

ranger121 · 09-05-02, 04:45 PM

Tick auto-connect at startup and put Tracadie.dns2go.com as the address.

Quite a few T1 & T3 people hang here (or have been the last few days)

AYB · 09-05-02, 05:30 PM

Use (if you're not already) DC++ available from http://sourceforge.net/projects/dcplusplus/

It's an open source direct connect client and far superior in almost all ways to the official one. It lets you connect to multiple hubs simultaneously for one thing, and supports multisource downloading (altho it can't really handle anything that doesnt have the same filename in my experience).

The only thing to note is that for some reason hub admins don't like ppl using DC++ (despite them using non official versions of the hub software) so make sure you enter (under personal information) a Description, bcoz if its blank DC++ identifies itself and ur liable to get kicked

07-05-02, 01:37 PM	#1
napho Dawn's private genie Join Date: May 2001 Location: the Canadian wasteland Posts: 4,461	Large or small versions of movies Most of the movies on FastTrack are under 500mb with around 250 being the norm. eDonkey has mostly 700mb+ versions. Which do you prefer and why? I don't mind the small version for throwaway films but a big special effects pic deserves higher quality.

07-05-02, 03:38 PM	#7
Dawn R.I.P napho 1-31-16 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Venus Posts: 16,723	Did that make sense? __________________ I love you napho and I will weep forever..........

07-05-02, 04:31 PM	#9
HaXor Convict: 1337 Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Lost in my own little world Posts: 24	I have not had any problems with movies about 150mb etc... I know the quality aint gonna be great, but its not bad for a movie like, say "attack of the clones" which aint out yet, at least its watchable. But if the movie is out, its best to get a dvd rip. One thing I have noticed though, is that the quality of my movies depend on what graphics card I use. My "Geforce" is shit at movies, too blocky especially on cam jobs, but with my "ATI" the quality is far better, blocks are almost unoticable. But at the end of the day, can WE complain? are we paying for theses movies? - just be greatfull for what you get - I am. H@Xor __________________ No matter where you live, no matter what you do, some of these things are always true.

08-05-02, 07:59 AM	#12
Dawn R.I.P napho 1-31-16 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Venus Posts: 16,723	Yep, and sometimes even before its released __________________ I love you napho and I will weep forever..........

08-05-02, 09:56 PM	#17
Dawn R.I.P napho 1-31-16 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Venus Posts: 16,723	At napho's suggestion, I just tried Direct Connect. I must say I am impressed! I've found most all the movies I was after in the large size, and the download speeds are incredibly fast compared to Edonkey. For instance, I was getting Blade 2 on Edonkey at around 10 kb; on Direct Connect it's coming in at 51 kb. Great program so far. __________________ I love you napho and I will weep forever..........

07-05-02, 02:10 PM	#2
AYB Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 82	I refuse to watch the small ones myself

07-05-02, 02:39 PM	#3
pod Bumbling idiot Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Vancouver, CA Posts: 787	Well, obviously the bigger one are higher quality (higher bitrate). The image itself may look just as good on the small one, but the actual size of the picture will be bigger, so you can go full-screen with no problems. 534 (or something like that) and up (640 and 712 are common widths as well) is pretty standard for a 700mb file and you can throw it on a VCD. Finally, the smaller ones are usually ASF files, which tend to get terrible audio sync problems, either due to crappy encoding, the players or the format itself. Standard movies (~2 hours) will usually come on 1 or 2 cds (700mb+ files). At 2 cds you're looking at pretty good picture quality (few artifacts) and good sound, maybe even an AC3 track.

07-05-02, 03:12 PM	#5
twinspan - a rascal - Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: for security reasons, never the same as the President's Posts: 759	usually the under-500mb ones are camcorder recordings, where speed (getting it from the theatre to the net) is more important than quality. the 650mb and above are usually rips of DVDs/VCDs etc, months or years after cinema release. I just can't take the cams and go for the rips, but then I got DSL; for others I guess there'll always be a place for smaller files. Also I go for the rips coz I usually only d/l movies that crashed my PC when I rent them on DVD. F#k Hollywood if they're gonna press sh1tty discs! I just wish people would make sure to mention when it's a cam so I could avoid it. (I got tricked once assuming a 630mb file was rip; instead I got perspective, sync trouble and Chinese/Malay subtitles & chitchat). But it will all be better soon with the help of Sig2Dat, FastTrack's P2P Movies and FastTrack Central... until Sharman screw things up again at least.

07-05-02, 03:41 PM	#8
AYB Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 82	Aye I've noticed a lot of "DVD Screener" rips around, nice quality with a handy little "this is only for official screenings" (or such like) message

08-05-02, 05:37 PM	#15
AYB Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 82	While they're being handed out...

08-05-02, 09:06 PM	#16
napho Dawn's private genie Join Date: May 2001 Location: the Canadian wasteland Posts: 4,461	These are a few that are out on eDonkey. Spiderman is 2gb.

09-05-02, 04:45 PM	#19
ranger121 Vos vestros servate, meos mihi linquite mores. Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 2,795	Tick auto-connect at startup and put Tracadie.dns2go.com as the address. Quite a few T1 & T3 people hang here (or have been the last few days) __________________

09-05-02, 05:30 PM	#20
AYB Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 82	Use (if you're not already) DC++ available from http://sourceforge.net/projects/dcplusplus/ It's an open source direct connect client and far superior in almost all ways to the official one. It lets you connect to multiple hubs simultaneously for one thing, and supports multisource downloading (altho it can't really handle anything that doesnt have the same filename in my experience). The only thing to note is that for some reason hub admins don't like ppl using DC++ (despite them using non official versions of the hub software) so make sure you enter (under personal information) a Description, bcoz if its blank DC++ identifies itself and ur liable to get kicked

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