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02-07-05, 06:00 PM | #1 | |
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did Karl Rove commit treason?
a breaking story....
at least two sources have identified Karl Rove as the source who blew the cover of CIA agent Valerie Plame for the purpose of discrediting her husband, Ambassador Joseph Wilson, the man who debunked the administration's "yellow cake" uranium story. a synopsis, courtesy of PEJ: Quote:
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02-07-05, 08:22 PM | #2 |
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I thinks I watched a video about this this old boy and others
"uncovered the truth about iraq" (Just the tiitle I get called nasty names for giving links) It had lots of long serving CIA people saying things. Then again what do they know about F--k all? Them CIA are all traitors" Don't you just love them terms traitors and treason? Opps I'm getting a little confused I can't work out whose side I'm on. Then again the waters are so mucky I could end up on either side. The right side or the left side,depends on which way the tide is going. Don't you just love the ebb and flow.. "God bless America" And all who saill in her.
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i an drunk,stoned...and this thread is the best....
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OFF WITH HIS HEAD!
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Back in September 2003, when the White House was still resisting the appointment of a special prosecutor, the President reportedly told his aides, including Mr. Rove, "I want to get to the bottom of this." His press secretary told the country that the President considered the leak to be "a very serious matter" and said that anyone responsible would be fired. "If anyone in this administration was involved in it, they would no longer be in this administration," said Scott McClellan, speaking for Mr. Bush. by the president's own reported standards (which, of course, are subject to change daily), Rove should be fired, if not prosecuted. |
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11-07-05, 01:29 AM | #6 |
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How many were killed as a result of his treachery?
When you've got that figure, multiply it by 20 years, add 30 for the treason, and you've got your magic number.
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11-07-05, 08:46 AM | #7 |
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Yes knife, how many were killed? A simple question even you might have difficulty spinning into propaganda.
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11-07-05, 10:18 AM | #9 |
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That analogy would really work well if it were possible to plant a bomb that had already been exploded years ago.
Maybe you could try something more appropriate; like letting a dead tiger's cage open so it could kill innocent, helpless people. OH THE HORROR!!! Pure luck that nobody got killed, eh? |
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to begin with if you took the trouble to actually read the law you'd know that even if nobody died as a result the punishment for violating 18 USC Sec. 794 is anything from 1 year to life imprisonment. it's execution if the leak results in the death of the agent in question or an asset of the agent, or other dangerous things spelled out in the statute. "...shall be punished by death or by imprisonment for any term of years or for life, except that the sentence of death shall not be imposed unless the jury or, if there is no jury, the court, further finds that the offense resulted in the identification by a foreign power (as defined in section 101(a) of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978) of an individual acting as an agent of the United States and consequently in the death of that individual, or directly concerned nuclear weaponry, military spacecraft or satellites, early warning systems, or other means of defense or retaliation against large-scale attack; war plans; communications intelligence or cryptographic information; or any other major weapons system or major element of defense strategy." so leaving aside any deaths for the moment karl rove is in serious potential trouble of about the worst imaginable kind and could be facing spending the rest of his life in prison as a result of his dirty trick. really his only defense becomes one of intent and belief, as in he didn’t intend for the information that he gave to a reporter be used by an enemy and that he had no "reason to believe" that publishing the information in millions of newspapers, web pages and on tv could - again - be used by an enemy. for a sophisticated white house guy regularly privy to all kinds of secret defense stuff that argument's pretty slim. doesn't mean he wouldn't try it but it probably won’t wash. then there is the matter of executive privledge. george bush may fall back on that hoary republican favorite to shield rove but for a "new kind of politician," "committed to openness" and already on record as wanting to get to the bottom of this despicable act and punish the guilty "no matter who they are" that might not look so good either. off with his head then. if they really want it badly enough the government would have the problem of identifying assets who themselves were secret, or identifying where and how some nuke, satellite, crypto system, war plan etc got compromised, no palatable task in an open court. so they might settle for some punishment short of the death penalty - unless it becomes widely known that a security compromise occurred or that people have died as a result of rove's leak. as for that, and to answer your first question posed above, "Yes knife, how many were killed? A simple question even you might have difficulty spinning into propaganda." it has been reported that more people were murdered from this leak than were so far identified as killed in london's subway blast. if that is indeed true and it does become more widely reported (which if true it will), or if the public outcry is large enough, the prosecutors may not feel the need to withhold identification of assets (agents) who have already been identified and are in any event already dead. but you never know, they may feel that rove's defense lawyers could do further harm on fishing expeditions so they could let it go - unless it's tried without a jury which the law allows, or in one of bush's new secret terrorism courts. if it were to go that far rove could indeed get sentenced to death and would then have to beg his tough-on-terror boss for a presidential pardon, which would be an ugly irony, or spend years on appeal, which may get tougher if the conservatives in congress get their way and speed up the death penalty process, high irony indeed as it was rove who agreed they do so. - js. |
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^the house troll flails away - almost makes you miss span, doesn't it?
meanwhile, back in the White House, yet another day where it sucks to be Press Secretary Scott McClellan: Quote:
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I suppose you're a much more organized liar yourself knife, feeling some disdain for the amateurs.
How do you sabotage the career of someone who's retired and doesn't have a career? And I guess by simply saying "was working covertly" you're really not trying to deceive people into thinking it was still going on at the time of the "outing". |
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from today's White House press conference - finally, the press has had enough of this nonsense:
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Interesting statement This guy may have broke the law. It doesn't matter if no one was killed. It doesn't matter if no career was sabotaged. Are you saying people can break the law,if no one is hurt? It seems to me,that some people have talked them self into a corner. Is it possible for you to respond without name calling? It seems that you need to back up every statement you make with insults?Why is that?Your point of view is as valid as anybody else's. So why back it up with insults all the time? It just weakens your point of view,or is that the fun bit? .
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Some people simply lie, lacking the intelligence to obfuscate an issue.
Others use contorted language to talk all around an issue without actually addressing it. And still others just ignore key parts of an issue and continue repeating their propanganda over and over. But some just whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine and whine... |
12-07-05, 09:15 AM | #18 |
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you fit that last catagory pretty well albed...
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12-07-05, 09:17 AM | #19 |
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So which one of those four did Karl Rove do?
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