Iran: A Bridge too Far?

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Bahrain's crown prince, in interviews to British newspapers published yesterday, said Iran is developing atomic weapons or the capability to do so. This is the first time an Arab state in the Persian Gulf has openly accused Tehran of lying about its contentious nuclear plan, the Times of London said.

http://www.digg.com/world_news/Bahra...veloping_nukes

A worthy question remains unanswered:

Why is it so hard to believe that a threat from Iran exists when Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has repeatedly publicly stated he wants to destroy Israel and the United States?

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ah, not sure... possibly The Israel lobby, Neo-Malthusians and The Jesus Landing Pad

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Riiiiiiight.

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He has also repeatedly said there is no plans for attacking Israel or the US but that doesn't amount to anything apparently.

anyway...
Ali Khamenei has much more power in Iran than the president and last I heard he told Ahmadinejad to 'stay out of all matters nuclear'

Interview with Khamenei

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Personally I didn't find it a worthy question, but I'll "answer" it.

I'm not going to defend Ahmadinejad and he's definitely engaged in some saber rattling, but claiming he's "repeatedly stated he wants to destroy the United States" is inaccurate and, I suspect, simply designed to be inflammatory. Go ahead and dig up the handful of unrepeated quotes on which your conclusion is based (pertaining to the US) and I think you'll appear fairly hysterical.

You prove your point well enough though--it certainly must not be hard to believe Iran is a threat when you're willing to seize on a few oblique comments and posturing and ignore a lot of other facts. Of course we already know how "easy it is to believe" just about anything if you get the fear mongering really pumped; we all remember how it went with Iraq.

But I'll leave you to argue the really important questions, such as where Pakistan is.

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From Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

“There is no doubt that the new wave (of attacks) in Palestine will wipe off this stigma (Israel) from the face of the Islamic world, ... The World without Zionism. Anybody who recognises Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nations' fury [and] is acknowledging the surrender and defeat of the Islamic world.” (source)

http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?...&id=2150862005

"Israel must be wiped off the map" (source)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...27/wiran27.xml

"America was free to sever its ties with Iran, but it remains Iran's decision to re-establish relations with America." (source)

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/GF21Ak04.html

"Our enemies can deal a blow to us any time they wish. They do not wait for permission to do this. They do not deal a blow with prior notice. They did not take action because they can't." (source)

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article....ticle_id=16353

"The wave of the Islamic revolution will soon reach the entire world." (source)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9352275/from/RL.3/

“Iran is ready to transfer nuclear know-how to the Islamic countries due to their need.” (source)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9352275/from/RL.3/

Here is a quote from the Canadian Islamic Congress this week:

"The Canadian Islamic Congress is congratulating Iran on having produced low-level enriched nuclear fuel this week, calling the achievement "an important step forward" in improving the country's long term economic well-being." (CIC release)

http://www.canadianislamiccongress.c...que.php?id=753

August 28, 2007

"Zionists are people without any religion. They are lying about being Jewish because religion means brotherhood, friendship and respecting other divine religions…

They are an organized minority who have infiltrated the world. They are not even a 10,000-strong organization."

(At a news conference in Tehran)


August 18, 2007

"The Zionist regime is the flag bearer of violation and occupation and this regime is the flag of Satan. …It is not unlikely that this regime be on the path to dissolution and deterioration when the philosophy behind its creation and survival is invalid."

(Address to an international religious conference in Tehran)

June 3, 2007

"With God's help, the countdown button for the destruction of the Zionist regime has been pushed by the hands of the children of Lebanon and Palestine . . . By God's will, we will witness the destruction of this regime in the near future."

(Speech, as quoted by the Fars News Agency)

March 21, 2007

"It is quite clear that a bunch of Zionist racists are the problem the modern world is facing today. They have access to global power and media centers and seek to use this access to keep the world in a state of hardship, poverty and grudge and strengthen their rule. The great nation of Iran is opposed to this inhuman trend. Of course, the Iranian nation will stick to its rightful stance. The Zionists and their supporters do not know that they are using failed approaches to take on human values, human civilization, nations and the great nation of Iran. Admitting the right of the dear Iranian nation and submitting to justice and the rule of law are the best way to salvation and the best way out of the deadlocks they have created for themselves."

(from a recorded New Year's message aired on Iranian television)

February 28, 2007

"The Zionists are the true manifestation of Satan . . . Many Western governments that claim to be pioneers of democracy and standard bearers of human rights close their eyes over crimes committed by the Zionists and by remaining silent support the Zionists due to their hedonistic and materialistic tendencies."

(to a meeting of Sudanese Islamic scholars in Khartoum)

December 12, 2006

"Thanks to people's wishes and God's will the trend for the existence of the Zionist regime is downwards and this is what God has promised and what all nations want…Just as the Soviet Union was wiped out and today does not exist, so will the Zionist regime soon be wiped out"

(Comments to Iran's Holocaust Conference)

November 29, 2006

"What have the Zionists done for the American people that the US administration considers itself obliged to blindly support these infamous aggressors? Is it not because they have imposed themselves on a substantial portion of the banking, financial, cultural and media sectors?"
(Letter from Ahmadinejad "to the American people")

November 13, 2006

"Israel is destined for destruction and will soon disappear"
Israel is "a contradiction to nature, we foresee its rapid disappearance and destruction."

October 19, 2006

"The Zionist regime is counterfeit and illegitimate and cannot survive"
(as quoted by Iranian state television)

August 6, 2006

"They (Israel) kill women and children, young and old. And, behind closed doors, they make plans for the advancement of their evil goals."
(as quoted by Khorasan Provincial TV)

To find more go here;

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/4616336.stm

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For Fun...

Columbia Speech.

SPEAKER: IRANIAN PRESIDENT MAHMOUD AHMADINEJAD [*]

AHMADINEJAD (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): In the name of God, the compassionate, the merciful...

TRANSLATOR: The president is reciting verses from the holy Koran in Arabic.

AHMADINEJAD (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): Oh, God, hasten the arrival of Imam al-Mahdi and grant him good health and victory and make us his followers and those to attest to his rightfulness.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...092401042.html

UN Speech;

Dear Friends and Colleagues,

"From the beginning of time, humanity has longed for the day when justice, peace, equality and compassion envelop the world. All of us can contribute to the establishment of such a world. When that day comes, the ultimate promise of all Divine religions will be fulfilled with the emergence of a perfect human being who is heir to all prophets and pious men. He will lead the world to justice and absolute peace.

"O mighty Lord, I pray to you to hasten the emergence of your last repository, the promised one, that perfect and pure human being, the one that will fill this world with justice and peace.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/li...918-irna02.htm

“Mahdi prayer mongering,” he snickered in his hidden message to America and likewise in his additional hardly noticed messages of intent, announced to the world, at the UN, saying, in the code of the “Shia Twelver Madhdi about the “Zulfiqar,” “The nuclear debate over Iran is now closed.'

Encompassing in both messages a traditional Islamic warning to an enemy, sent but wholly ignored in the ignorance of their true meanings, is this Shia Iranian Twelver movement of a divine calling, for the “victorious return of the Mahdi, and, from that, the coming of that Theocratic Caliph, the promised new world order that will cleansed the world of the “disobeyers” which will result in a United Islamic World Nation.

It is within both of his “warnings” that is the message, so unnoticed, but which is proclaimed as the self assumed destiny of these Iranian Theocratic prophets. A warning of an unwavering focus on the politico-religious dimensions of a Shi'as believe that Muhammad al-Mahdi will reappear, when the world has fallen into chaos and civil war among all the human race, so that then, the Madhdi and his legends of the faithful obeyors can cleanses the world of the non-obeying unbelievers. By thus, creating a United World Islamic Nation which is the destiny of the Shias Twelver Prophets.

At its core is the Iraq were we infidels now stand, from which Shia prophecy dictates, the black flags of Karbala must arise and march to Mecca. Then and only then, can Muhammad al-Mahdi , the guided one, come wielding God's Sword, the Blade of Evil's Bane, the Zulfiqar (Arabic: ذو الفقار, ðū l-fiqār), or the mythical Double-Bladed Sword of God.

Shi’as according to the Propehtics who now rule Iran must both control Iraq’s Karbala and have this mighty sword of Zulfigar, the bomb, in order to fulfill their self-assumed destiny as the current day leaders of this Twelver Shi'as movement.

A movement which assumes it is destine to cleanse the world of the unbelievers and bring all the world into the fold of a new Islamic Caliph (pronounced khaleef in Arabic) world order, in a united Global Islamic nation.

Of course we have this doomoracy of denial that does not grasp who will need to be cleansed, if at all. Thinking even if it true, only the ignorant and disobedient of their views and ideology of denial will be effected or there is nothing to fear, but Bush and well, really anyone else who disagrees with them.

Of course, they could be wrong and the cleansing mentioned as a needed act of prophecy, is, of course, us, them and the other nearly 4.7 billion non-Islamic believers in this world.

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But I'll leave you to argue the really important questions, such as where Pakistan is.

Okay, but no argument is necessary.

It's here: