Gas Prices

Thankfully I live near a port, my gas hasn't gone above $2.80, plus, since I live a whole 5 miles from work I can fill up for about $22 and it lasts me a little over 2 weeks.

[Sinner]

Well gas prices don’t really stop me from doing what I want to do, but it would be nice to have a little more cash to spend on other things. There are some solutions, we need to build more refineries, we need more oil out of the ground, we need to start drilling in Alaska and other Wildlife sanctuaries, screw the wild life and beauty of that state, we need more rigs off the coast around the world, do you know how much oil there is?, lots, unfortunately a lot of it is under land and water protected by environmental lobbyist. Will Bush as made one recommendation

–“Bush urged lawmakers to expand tax breaks for the purchase of fuel-efficient hybrid automobiles, a politically popular measure that's also supported by environmentalists. He also directed the Environmental Protection Agency to use its authority to temporarily waive air quality laws in states if that would relieve a local gasoline supply shortage.”

So want cheap gas?, lets just kill the planet. I just don’t want to hear people like pisser coming back and complaining how they can’t breathe or complaining about beach closures and shit tho. So call your senator and lets start drilling!!!

[multi]

nice... but unfortunately people would end up getting neither improved gas prices or a protected evironment in either scenario
if fuel-efficient hybrid automobiles become to popular and too effecient
the oil based world economy will suffer so i dont think theres any danger of that happening anytime soon unless theres a major upgrade of how modern western democracy works that is....

[albed]

Bullshit multi. Greater efficiency helps any economy.



As usual, the media refuses to report the downside of hybrids, just like with hydrogen. You have to replace their big expensive batteries every 5-7 years, the charge/discharge cycle is only about 80% efficient so you lose 20% of the energy that could have gone into driving the vehicle by using them, plus you're lugging all their extra weight around with you.

A regular engine fuel efficient vehicle would be better than a hybrid but since it's not "fashionable" you just don't hear that from the media.



The turbodiesel is the most fuel efficient engine practical for automobiles, beating comparable gasoline engines by at least 20%. In the U.S. the switch to low sulfur diesel by 2007 means catalytic converters can be put on diesels making their pollution output comparable to gasoline engines and they'll also be getting a big federal tax credit when people buy one. And since diesel fuel can be made from vegetable oil and coal as well as petroleum, shortages and price spikes should be rare.



So all americans have to do to get 60mpg is squeeze their fat asses and big egos into a small, lightweight, aerodynamic car with a turbodiesel.

[pisser]

Originally Posted by Sinner

So want cheap gas?, lets just kill the planet. I just don’t want to hear people like pisser coming back and complaining how they can’t breathe or complaining about beach closures and shit tho.

Hey brainless, I live in southern California where the air is already quite polluted, and routinely we have beach closures due to the shit factory releasing too much into the ocean.

I haven't complained about it ever, and won't, so that should be a load off of your pea sized brain.

[dumwaldo]

WHA WHA WHA, Cry me a fukin river and then drive your car into it and drown.

You are outraged over the cheapest gas prices on the planet. Take a look around the world at what everybody else pays for gas and find me a place that it is cheaper than America.

While you are looking around at what the world pays for gas, why not also look into what types of vehicles the worlds population is driving. Gas prices like this are long overdue in America, if for no other reason, just because the American sense of entitlement.

How many escalades, navigators and yukon's do you think are sold outside America? Have you ever seen european delivery trucks? How many people do you see driving fuel efficient scooters in America? When was the last time you set foot on public transportation?

Perhaps there is no widespread sense of outrage because the vocal majority knows they deserve it. We acted like gluttons for years, sucking up cheap gas and building imensly powered vehicles that stroke our ego's.

Let's not forget, driving is a luxery, not a right. If you do not like the way it work then you can simply opt out of the system by not driving. If you are going to be outraged by gas prices, then why not be outraged over mandatory insurance laws and rising insurance rates. If you are going to be outraged by gas prices why not be outraged at vehicle safety standards and the ever increasing cost of vehicle maintenance to keep in accordance with those standards?

There is simply nothing to be outraged over; it is the way things should be. Even if gas prices double from what they currently are, it will still be the way it is supposed to be.

later,
dumwaldo

I think if any Senator, on either side, was really concerned about gas prices they would suspend the tax on gas, which goes to the government for essentially doing nothing. After refinery costs, taxes, R+d costs and exploration costs the "profit" made by oil companies is about 9 cents a gallon, while the US government makes about 50 cents a gallon...and then have the balls to heap scorn on oil execs for "excessive profit"? Don't make me puke. There's windfall profits alright, and they go straight into the governments pockets.

[dumwaldo]

Why should tax breaks be given for gas? Would you also support eliminating the exhorbatant taxes on cigareetes? How about the taxes on alchohol?

What exactly is it about gas that makes it so special that it should be treated differently that any other luxery item?

Originally Posted by dumwaldo

Why should tax breaks be given for gas? Would you also support eliminating the exhorbatant taxes on cigareetes? How about the taxes on alchohol?

What exactly is it about gas that makes it so special that it should be treated differently that any other luxery item?

I wouldn't classify gas as a "luxery" item. For nearly every industry in America it is vital to business. Cigs and alcohol are not.

Why should oil companies be forced to give up their profits while the government makes money for doing nothing? For every gallon of gas sold the government, both state and federal, swoops in an automatically take 50 cents of it, for doing nothing. That doesn't seem slightly wrong to you?

[albed]

Originally Posted by dumwaldo

You are outraged over the cheapest gas prices on the planet. Take a look around the world at what everybody else pays for gas and find me a place that it is cheaper than America.

http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lis...ces/price.html
LAOS VIENTIANE $1.66
THAILAND BANGKOK $1.60
CHINA TIANJIN $1.54
CHINA SHANGHAI $1.48
RUSSIA MOSCOW $1.45
KAZAKHSTAN ALMATY $1.36
KAZAKHSTAN ATYRAU $1.35
TAJIKISTAN DUSHANBE $1.32
AZERBAIJAN BAKU $1.15
Saudi Arabia Riyadh $0.91
VENEZUELA CARACAS $0.14

Don't know why you couldn't look yourself; but then you wouldn't be clueless would you?

Originally Posted by dumwaldo

While you are looking around at what the world pays for gas, why not also look into what types of vehicles the worlds population is driving. Gas prices like this are long overdue in America, if for no other reason, just because the American sense of entitlement.

Damn Americans, always feeling entitled to get what they pay for. Give them a good dose of commie propaganda dumwaldo.

Originally Posted by dumwaldo

How many escalades, navigators and yukon's do you think are sold outside America? Have you ever seen european delivery trucks? How many people do you see driving fuel efficient scooters in America? When was the last time you set foot on public transportation?

Why don't you learn these things for yourself instead of asking like it proves your point? People should be free to own what they want and are willing to pay for, and relying on strike prone public transportation has left a lot of people feeling foolish.

Originally Posted by dumwaldo

Perhaps there is no widespread sense of outrage because the vocal majority knows they deserve it. We acted like gluttons for years, sucking up cheap gas and building imensly powered vehicles that stroke our ego's.

You haven't heard any outrage??? Try pulling your head out of your ass for just one moment - jeezus christ!

Originally Posted by dumwaldo

Let's not forget, driving is a luxery, not a right. If you do not like the way it work then you can simply opt out of the system by not driving. If you are going to be outraged by gas prices, then why not be outraged over mandatory insurance laws and rising insurance rates. If you are going to be outraged by gas prices why not be outraged at vehicle safety standards and the ever increasing cost of vehicle maintenance to keep in accordance with those standards?

Fuck this is one of those comments so packed with stupidity I don't know where to start. Driving isn't a 'luxury', it's an efficient method of transporting people and goods that everyone around the world adopts once their standard of living rises enough. Opting out simply isn't an option for a great many americans, (study "suburbs" and "rural living" to get yourself a clue). People would have to be extra dumb to be outraged over vehicle safety standards, but if they won't self-insure or do their own maintenance to save money then they can just bitch all they want.

Originally Posted by dumwaldo

There is simply nothing to be outraged over; it is the way things should be. Even if gas prices double from what they currently are, it will still be the way it is supposed to be.

later,
dumwaldo

What if they halve again? Will it still be the way it's supposed to be? Or will you be outraged?

[pisser]

Dumwaldo - You live up to your name alright.....

[dumwaldo]

what a joke. You guys are not seriously going to defend your self absorbed opinions with gas prices from countries where less than 10% of the people have cars are you. you can not honestly be that, rediculous can you?

Why did you not include gas prices from the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, The Netherlans, any country in south america, or any other place where greater than 10% of the population owns vehicles? OH yeah, it would be because that would outline how selfish and clueless your opinion is.

Incidentally i live in a suburb. I WALK and utilize PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. I have not owned a car for over a decade and most likely never will own another car for the rest of my life.

Driving IS a luxery.

Your attitudes ARE disgutsing and self absorbed.

THIS is why on a global scale America is one of the most disliked countries in the world.

Just get over yourself and accept that you might have to act like the rest of the world and display some personal responsibility. The small fuel efficient vehicles might not be as cool as the 3 ton SUV's but you WILL get the picture eventually.

PS
if you are going to try and insult me you better come up with something better that refrences to my name. All you accomplish but trying to turn my name into an insult is to illustrate how low your intellectual level is. Please do not come to a battle of wits unarmed as you have so far.