Supreme Court Copyright Case: The Recap - P2P-Zone

theknife · 13-10-02, 04:35 PM

To anyone who is following this case, this is a fascinating blow-by-blow account of the proceedings.

Quote:

I am obviously extremely happy with where we are. The Court is struggling with the right issue; they are motivated to get the right answer; they have a clear and simple way to give the right answer; the government has made it very hard to accept its answer. It is always hard to get the Court to strike a law of Congress, but this law is so universally flawed, and the case against it is so universally strong, that I continue to be confident that the Court could choose to strike the law.

JackSpratts · 13-10-02, 06:19 PM

great post from lessig, theknife, thanks for the heads-up.

after finishing his book i was pleased to see him in front of the us supreme court arguing for actual limits, even if he feels he's not up to the task. the internet is i feel at least as important as gutenberg - if not more so, and must not be co-opted any longer by commercial special interests.

after reading his post and the following line -

"Please, in the spirit of the best of this sphere, carry these arguments along, and correct the many mistakes I have made. But I need a night when the limits of this lawyer don't keep this lawyer awake." i realized what a wonderful and modest man he is as well.

from peer-to-peer to webcasting and the dmca to television, this is the first of many crucial and important copyright fights to come, but regardless of those outcomes it's a fine thing being surrounded by so many astonishing individuals, ones who care so deeply about the rights of all people to communicate amongst themselves.

- js.

theknife · 13-10-02, 06:52 PM

I loved this part:

"Every night since Wednesday I have awoken in the middle of the night, to spend the rest of the night reanswering Justice Ginsburg, or asking Chief Justice Rehnquist just how he could distingiush Commerce from Copyright."

Fascinating to get such a personal account of such a momentous
proceeding.

Mazer · 13-10-02, 11:09 PM

It's too bad we have to wait until spring for the decision. But the case has been argued for four years now, I guess waiting an other five months isn't a big deal.

theknife · 14-10-02, 04:47 AM

The Professor seems to like his chances...

SA_Dave · 14-10-02, 06:13 PM

It's a brilliant article! I've read a few interviews with Lessig on /. but this gives me an inside view on the dynamics, ambiguities & flaws of the American constitution. I hope that they do fix it. If they don't, what kind of example will the U.S. be setting for the rest of the world? Slavery is illegal just as long as you don't own the copyright?

twinspan · 15-10-02, 11:31 AM

i read an earlier article re lessig posted at info anarchy on this case; i finally remembered where I heard a lot of these issues before (stimulating innovation by protecting those who innovate vs. stimulating innovation by allowing derivation, etc.).

Hip-hop. Gilbert O'Sullivan vs. Biz Markie.

in the early years of rap, lots of cases re samplng of old records by new ones; eventually the copyright holders pretty much got their way, if I'm not mistaken. hope it doen't happen again.

JackSpratts · 16-10-02, 10:15 AM

i just got an email from lessig (he's outside the us today) and he is heartened by the support we're showing. he says it makes it all "worth doing"! you never know how far a kind word or a note of thanks can go, especially in situations where monetary renumeration is not a goal. keep encouraging the people in this fight and in the future you can look back on it as your victory and the part you played in it.

- js.

TankGirl · 16-10-02, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JackSpratts
i just got an email from lessig (he's outside the us today) and he is heartened by the support we're showing. he says it makes it all "worth doing"! you never know how far a kind word or a note of thanks can go, especially in situations where monetary renumeration is not a goal. keep encouraging the people in this fight and in the future you can look back on it as your victory and the part you played in it.

- js.

Very good, Jack!

- tg

theknife · 17-10-02, 07:56 PM

What a guy....

inspired by Jack, I also sent him a little thank you/kudos/attaboy note...he was kind enough to promptly return the thought as well.

very impressive man in every respect

JackSpratts · 17-10-02, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by theknife
What a guy....

inspired by Jack, I also sent him a little thank you/kudos/attaboy note...he was kind enough to promptly return the thought as well.

very impressive man in every respect

thekniife!

- js.

TankGirl · 21-10-02, 09:19 AM

A transcript of the Supreme Court hearing is available here:

http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/eldredTranscript

There are also some interesting comments on the topic at InfoAnarchy.

- tg

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13-10-02, 06:19 PM	#2
JackSpratts Join Date: May 2001 Location: New England Posts: 10,018	great post from lessig, theknife, thanks for the heads-up. after finishing his book i was pleased to see him in front of the us supreme court arguing for actual limits, even if he feels he's not up to the task. the internet is i feel at least as important as gutenberg - if not more so, and must not be co-opted any longer by commercial special interests. after reading his post and the following line - "Please, in the spirit of the best of this sphere, carry these arguments along, and correct the many mistakes I have made. But I need a night when the limits of this lawyer don't keep this lawyer awake." i realized what a wonderful and modest man he is as well. from peer-to-peer to webcasting and the dmca to television, this is the first of many crucial and important copyright fights to come, but regardless of those outcomes it's a fine thing being surrounded by so many astonishing individuals, ones who care so deeply about the rights of all people to communicate amongst themselves. - js.

13-10-02, 06:52 PM	#3
theknife my name is Ranking Fullstop Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Promontorium Tremendum Posts: 4,391	I loved this part: "Every night since Wednesday I have awoken in the middle of the night, to spend the rest of the night reanswering Justice Ginsburg, or asking Chief Justice Rehnquist just how he could distingiush Commerce from Copyright." Fascinating to get such a personal account of such a momentous proceeding.

13-10-02, 11:09 PM	#4
Mazer Earthbound misfit Join Date: May 2001 Location: Moses Lake, Washington Posts: 2,563	It's too bad we have to wait until spring for the decision. But the case has been argued for four years now, I guess waiting an other five months isn't a big deal.

14-10-02, 04:47 AM	#5
theknife my name is Ranking Fullstop Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Promontorium Tremendum Posts: 4,391	The Professor seems to like his chances...

14-10-02, 06:13 PM	#6
SA_Dave Guardian of the Maturation Chamber Join Date: May 2002 Location: Unimatrix Zero, Area 25 Posts: 462	It's a brilliant article! I've read a few interviews with Lessig on /. but this gives me an inside view on the dynamics, ambiguities & flaws of the American constitution. I hope that they do fix it. If they don't, what kind of example will the U.S. be setting for the rest of the world? Slavery is illegal just as long as you don't own the copyright?

15-10-02, 11:31 AM	#7
twinspan - a rascal - Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: for security reasons, never the same as the President's Posts: 759	i read an earlier article re lessig posted at info anarchy on this case; i finally remembered where I heard a lot of these issues before (stimulating innovation by protecting those who innovate vs. stimulating innovation by allowing derivation, etc.). Hip-hop. Gilbert O'Sullivan vs. Biz Markie. in the early years of rap, lots of cases re samplng of old records by new ones; eventually the copyright holders pretty much got their way, if I'm not mistaken. hope it doen't happen again.

16-10-02, 10:15 AM	#8
JackSpratts Join Date: May 2001 Location: New England Posts: 10,018	i just got an email from lessig (he's outside the us today) and he is heartened by the support we're showing. he says it makes it all "worth doing"! you never know how far a kind word or a note of thanks can go, especially in situations where monetary renumeration is not a goal. keep encouraging the people in this fight and in the future you can look back on it as your victory and the part you played in it. - js.

17-10-02, 07:56 PM	#10
theknife my name is Ranking Fullstop Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Promontorium Tremendum Posts: 4,391	What a guy.... inspired by Jack, I also sent him a little thank you/kudos/attaboy note...he was kind enough to promptly return the thought as well. very impressive man in every respect

21-10-02, 09:19 AM	#12
TankGirl Madame Comrade Join Date: May 2000 Location: Area 25 Posts: 5,587	A transcript of the Supreme Court hearing is available here: http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/eldredTranscript There are also some interesting comments on the topic at InfoAnarchy. - tg