here we go

[theknife]

of the various deceptions and misrepresentations perpetrated by the Bush administration over the past five years, none have had more catastrophic long-term consequences than the false case for war. the Valerie Plame affair has helped to illustrate the administration's use of forged documents to create the apocalyptic illusion of Saddam with nuclear weapons - the Libby trial promises to bring that particular scam to daylight. now, new documents released by Senator Carl Levin of the Armed Services Committee are shedding additional light on further deliberate manipulation of false intelligence data, by the administration, to sell the war.

Smoking Gun on Manipulation of Iraq Intelligence? 'NY Times' Cites New Document Today

By E&P Staff

Published: November 05, 2005 1:30 PM ET

NEW YORK Ever since the Democrats briefly closed the U.S. Senate from view earlier this week, to protest alleged Republican foot-dragging in probing Bush administration pre-war manipulation of intelligence, the press has been asking: So what new evidence do the Democrats have in this matter?

Tomorrow, The New York Times starts to answer the question, with reporter Doug Jehl disclosing the contents of a newly declassified memo apparently passed to him by Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan, the top Democrat on the Senate Armed Services Committee.

It shows that an al-Qaeda official in American custody was identified as a likely fabricator months before the Bush administration began to use his statements as the foundation for its claims that Iraq trained al-Qaeda members to use biological and chemical weapons, according to this Defense Intelligence Agency document from February 2002.

It declared that it was probable that the prisoner, Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi, "was intentionally misleading the debriefers" in making claims about Iraqi support for al-Qaeda's work with illicit weapons, Jehl reports.

“The document provides the earliest and strongest indication of doubts voiced by American intelligence agencies about Mr. Libi's credibility,” Jehl writes. “Without mentioning him by name, President Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, Colin L. Powell, then secretary of state, and other administration officials repeatedly cited Mr. Libi's information as ‘credible’ evidence that Iraq was training Al Qaeda members in the use of explosives and illicit weapons.

“Among the first and most prominent assertions was one by Mr. Bush, who said in a major speech in Cincinnati in October 2002 that ‘we've learned that Iraq has trained Al Qaeda members in bomb making and poisons and gases.’”
A White House spokeswoman said she had no immediate comment on the D.I.A. report.

“Mr. Libi was not alone among intelligence sources later determined to have been fabricating accounts,” Jehl continues. “Among others, an Iraqi exile whose code name was Curveball was the primary source for what proved to be false information about Iraq and mobile biological weapons labs. And American military officials cultivated ties with Ahmad Chalabi, the head of the Iraqi National Congress, an exile group, who has been accused of feeding the Pentagon misleading information in urging war.”

Libi is in custody, apparently at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, where he was sent in 2003.

According to Jehl, Secretary of State Colin Powell relied heavily on Libi for his speech to the United Nations on Feb. 5, 2003, saying that he was tracing "the story of a senior terrorist operative telling how Iraq provided training in these weapons to Al Qaeda."

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/ea..._id=1001434737

as this stuff starts to come out, the GOP is developing a new meme: well, it wasn't just us - the Clinton adminstration thought he was a threat, too. of course, the irrelevance of this talking point is obvious: the Clinton administration didn't invade Iraq.

it's a long way to impeachment, but you can get there from here.

[albed]

Rats again. I thought from the title you were going to check into a real asylum and get some treatment for your unhealthy obsession.



What will you do when the next republican president is elected? Best to get your problem taken care of now.

[tambourine-man]

You are truly the ad-hom king.

I doff my hat to you, sir.

[legion]

Originally Posted by albed

What will you do when the next republican president is elected? Best to get your problem taken care of now.

So when are they starting your treatment for being overly optimistic?

[theknife]

he kind of stalks me - his posts are all about me. it's cute, in a trollish way.

[albed]

I was only half paying attention to Howard Dean on Chris Matthews' Hardball recently, but his behaviour was unmistakable; the leader of the U.S. Democratic Party is a genuine nut case - though his previous behaviour left little doubt to rational observers.

Don't mistake my concern for theknife for optimism. The next presidential election might just break his tedious hold on sanity and send him into a multi-like state of confusion and delusion.

[Nicobie]

The bureaucrats managed to make him look bad.

I figure this was to make his political party *.* in the next election.

[albed]

Just to give people a chuckle:

-on the Supreme Court nomination of Harriet Miers-

MATTHEWS: Do you believe that the president can claim executive privilege?

DEAN: Well, certainly the president can claim executive privilege. But in the this case, I think with a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court, you can't play, you know, hide the salami,

(for you foreigners "hide the salami" is U.S. slang for sexual intercourse)



MATTHEWS: Does it bother that she's been to a pro-life event?

DEAN: No. I mean, you know, I'm a strong believer that the government ought not to tell women what kind of health care they ought to have.


Wacky and clueless. This site doesn't have the whole interview unfortunately,
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9601984/
there were more great Howardisms that I saw live on MSNBC.


But this guy is the democrats great hope. Don't kill yourself knife...therapy and medication dude. You can make it.