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14-02-04, 05:00 PM | #1 | ||||
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tk..if you have no "qualms" about voting for kerry, i'd advise you to read up on his history...all of it. after you have, in all seriousness, i hope you will re-think your present stance.
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read what vietnam veterans think of him, visit the site...read it all..... Quote:
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14-02-04, 05:15 PM | #2 |
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his second tour of duty scoob.
five rows behind fonda, 3 years before she went to hanoi? the administration should concentrate their efforts explaining how bush jumped a 500 person que getting into the guard only to be so insignificant a presence the dentist who supposedly fixed this celebrity son of a congressman's teeth can't even remember him. kerry was a true, genuine hero both in war and again in peaceful protest, the backbone of a participatory democracy. all this while bush did little but drink to oblivion with his privileged frat boy pals. the republicans should be ashamed for inventing this drama. - js. |
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the jane fonda picture is a silly, desperate, and laughingly transparent attempt to paint the guy red. the GOP is preaching to the choir with this Vietnam stuff - most voters aren't gonna give a shit regardless, it's a non-issue...we're talking about events 30 years gone. as i have to assume that Bush is no longer the same party frat guy he was then, i will also assume Kerry has matured and grown as any adult is likely to do between ages 20 and 50. as for the Al Queda threat, frankly, the administration simply no longer has credibility in this area. by their own admission, they have serious flawed intelligence capabilities...and the whole Bush re-election campaign depends on keeping the public scared. there is every reason to question the administration's spin and less reason than ever to believe it. btw, that Gary Aldrich quote is a little ridiculous, no? why bother to quote a guy who assumes he speaks for 50,000 guys who have been dead for 30 years? hell, you might as well quote yourself for what that's worth |
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the Democrats should be ashamed for inventing this drama and trying to use it again (after it already failed once). |
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14-02-04, 10:40 PM | #5 | |
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if you're going to stay in this debate at least try to keep up.
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he's no hero, he may even be a deserter but had bush at least done some protesting i'd have a bit of respect for the guy. kerry on the other hand is the real thing. he fought for his country in battle and worked against the war in vietnam upon his return, doing both in service to americans fighting and dying there, while bush jumped queues and let others go in his place. kerry was - and is - light years beyond bush the pretender. - js. |
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14-02-04, 11:03 PM | #6 | |
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also it's funny that the anti-war/anti-military party somehow now thinks military service is of utmost importance for a leader. Kerry might have been a war hero but he became a traitor to his own servicemen the day he called them all war criminals. |
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15-02-04, 01:03 AM | #7 | |
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as for your pictures, there are no dates, no context to those photographs but it doesn’t surprise me since it’s just more shallow republican propaganda attempting to belittle a hero by association. i’m sure we can all pull up pictures of bush standing near thieves and reprobates, criminals and conspirators much more recent than those 30 year images. and if the republicans continue in this fashion i’m sure we’ll see plenty of embarrassing bush shots. won’t that be educational? since you actually think they’re relevant i’ll be happy to plaster the board with them. in spite of the hope you have in posting those shots that they somehow diminish kerry they do the opposite. i see a young man with the courage of his convictions willing to state publicly his beliefs, no matter how unpopular they may be in that company town washington, and willing to take the heat for them. the millions of young men, the thousands of veterans pinning hopes on somebody with the courage to do just that: to go up against the corrupt officials championing the war who would soon be in jails themselves. someone to take on a war that mcnamara himself the wars architect ultimately admitted was a terrible mistake but whose offices continued in sending young men to their pointless deaths. it needed to be done and we’re better for it. i juxtapose that with bush who escaped his duty by letting others serve for him while smugly taking credit for performing it, a man whose people continue disparaging anyone today, even those who fought bravely, because they didn’t agree with an immoral war their leader did all he could to avoid: this empty president who leads by manipulation and hides behind lies made to the very people he cynically claims allegiance. - js. |
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15-02-04, 06:28 AM | #8 |
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John Kerry reminds me of...
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15-02-04, 07:49 AM | #9 |
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vote 1! herman munster
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15-02-04, 09:26 AM | #10 | |
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15-02-04, 11:45 AM | #11 |
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15-02-04, 12:02 PM | #12 | |
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there are actually some reasonable Republicans, but given Bush's abysmal record, "anybody but Bush" is a perfectly valid reason to support Kerry, |
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15-02-04, 06:17 PM | #13 | ||
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the left always play dirty every chance they get, it’s the one thing they excel at. kerry is running on the “i'm a war hero” platform, yet the right gets accused of inventing drama when they question, and point out the facts of kerry’s record. the left wants to question bush on his service record but the right can't question kerry on his? now that it serves his ambition to be president, kerry reminds the public of his war record daily. but the dark side of that record is not being told by the media..of course. the despicable facts about kerry speak for themselves, they’re all on record…but the lefty’s can’t be bothered reading real facts. they’re too wrapped up in their frenzy to invent lies about the person they despise. who accused bush of being “awol”? who accused him of lying? who accused him of being a traitor? who accused him of being a murderer? who equated him with hitler? who compared the iraq war with the vietnam war? who accused bush of planning the 9/11 attack and invading iraq before he was even president? lol, you accuse conservatives of inventing drama? liberals desperately try to tear down bush’s record, past and present..but they can’t…there are no facts to back up them up. republicans and other thoughtful, savvy citizens realize that bush's real "record" is that of an honest courageous and gallant commander-in-chief. he's been commander-in-chief during the most traumatic time in american history since world war II. he hadn't been in office for a year when the planes hit the twin towers, but have the liberals noticed, or even give a damn that there haven't been any more such catastrophes. no. i hope that the "hero costume" is torn from kerry, piece by piece, until he is standing with nothing but the ugly truth of his anti-military beliefs. although, that will only make him even more attractive to you extreme lefties…everyone else will see the real truth about him. Quote:
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i judge the man on his record - you can play the liberal card coz if it makes you feel better, but i can go through Bush's record, foreign and domestic, point by point, and be quite comfortable that a vote against him is in the best interest of my country |
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15-02-04, 10:18 PM | #15 |
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tk, if you in fact truly judge bush on his record..not the liberal hyped up record…you would then be quite comfortable that a vote for him is in the best interest of your country.
by your posts you do seem to harbor a hatred for bush…but since you say you personally don’t, I apologize for the assumption. |
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i think he could be a kanamit in disguise..
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16-02-04, 03:12 AM | #17 | |
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Fake picture...???
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Frightening attempt to fake Kerry protograph... Back story regarding the picture that, presumably, wasn't good enough... Not really interested in this tedious merry-go-round about Kerry. He's another politician and I doubt he'll bring anything to a potential Presidency that any other schmook could bring. In the end, he'll play the 'hero' or 'security experienced' card as much as possible - largely because Bush has (probably unadvisably) defined himself as a wartime leader... Both are opportunistically playing with the still raw emotions surrounding 9/11 and Iraq, because both know that to campaign on any other issue would leave themselves open to the accusation of being 'soft' (or some other such mindless bullshit). As for the whole, "he threw his ribbons/medals and criticised fellow soldiers = traitor" rubbish... Get real - as I understand, he was pissed off with many things: the conduct of soldiers in the field, the blind-eye turned by the respective administrations and the state that the US had found itself in after following a misadvised foriegn policy of social engineering. Amazing how history repeats itself isn't it? To me, Kerry's an unknown quantity, and the chances are that he'll have plenty of REAL skeletons in his cupboard that'll damage him later on. At the moment, I'll reserve my judgement on Kerry, but let's say I'm less than convinced by efforts to paint him as a terrorist-sympathiser, a communist-lover, an America-hater with equations to Bin-Laden. It's populistic crap-ola designed to instill fear: "Don't vote for this guy, coz you'll die a horrible WMD death if he's in power". The Dems are no better: "Don't vote for Bush, coz you'll die in poverty, with no healthcare and you'll be so undereducated you'll be too stupid to realise it... Oh, but we'll change all that." The 'impartial' line appears to be: "Don't vote for Bush, coz he's a pretzel-choking, war-mongering, big-business-money-funnelling moron... Oh and Kerry looks like a genetic monster, but don't let that fuck y'up - it's better than nothing". If the Reps want to criticise him, they could concentrate on the mixed messages over Iraq or his lack of direct Senatorial involvement, or even the poor showing regarding MIA's. But they won't... it just isn't as juicy. Looking forward to a dirty, smear-fest campaign by both 'sides'.
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the pic is fake eh? span's and scoob’s fonda association is a falsehood? why am i not surprised. again more lies from the right.
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