I will develop a new Filesharing prog!

[Teclis]

What are your wishes? what do you need? what can I do for making the best filesharing program?
WE ARE THE NETWORK!what is importent for you?how would you call it?
I found a company with some friends called VIsUm-MEDIA .
in the next few weeks our team will buy a domain for the prog. Our aim is to make a free and powerfull Filesharing application for everybody with a strong community.
Also I want to say that we are not a big company! We are "only" some students in Germany, searching for new ways of communication.
greetz
mail:Chris@visum-media.com

[napho]

Good luck. Germany is a hotbed for P2P.

[AweShucks]

Originally posted by Teclis
What are your wishes? what do you need?

All I need right now is a small tool to allow a person to run 2 instances on WinMX version 2.6 and 3.? simultaneously. At least until you get yours built

Important issues are encryption and anonymity to me. And please don't cut dial-up users out of the loop

Good luck

[JackSpratts]

hi teclis and welcome to nu. it's always great to have another designer join. please keep us informed of VIsUm-MEDIAs' progress and let us know if there's anything we can do.

- js.

[Teclis]

graet to be in such a forum!whoooho!!
but some ideas now!
What are your wishes? what do you need? what can I do for making the best filesharing program?
WE ARE THE NETWORK!what is importent for you?how would you call it?

[Dawn]

I'd like to see a program that has multi-source download capability. Thats the most important thing to me.

Also, I'd like to see some sort of minimum files shared in order to join, similar to some of the hubs on Direct Connect. I say this because of the bad experiences I've had with Winmx. Seems like only 1 out of 10 people that are downloading my 700MB movies actually share anything back. Yes, I can cut them off, but only when I'm at my computer.

Welcome to the forum Teclis

[Spaceboy]

What about some form of encryption. Other than Filetopia, I can't think of many file sharing apps have implement any sort of security.

[cAdz]

Something like audiognome,
Only with a with a multi-user download,better looking.............etc..



Yes write a client that can log-in on the fasttrack network,en with many many many more options than the anoying spyware filled Kazaa client.

[Teclis]

we are working on a own decentral network.

[napho]

I don't need a fancy GUI or a player. I'd like you to concentrate on the good stuff.

-Of course swarming downloads
-downloading from partial files(like eDonkey)
-more than 1 connection from 1 user(like a download manager)- Blubster2 might have that
-remote queueing so we know how long the line is
-constant searching for more sources(like iMesh and the fasttrack accelerator)

[TankGirl]

Hi Teclis and welcome aboard!

Originally posted by napho
I don't need a fancy GUI or a player. I'd like you to concentrate on the good stuff.

-Of course swarming downloads
-downloading from partial files(like eDonkey)
-more than 1 connection from 1 user(like a download manager)- Blubster2 might have that
-remote queueing so we know how long the line is
-constant searching for more sources(like iMesh and the fasttrack accelerator)

Good basic list, Napho. A little addition:

- ability to search with hash numbers and use hash number hotlinks from a browser (as in ShareReactor/Donkey etc.)

On the more social level some good things to work on:

- permanent verifiable peer identities (so that you know always who you are dealing with)
- a working decentralized hotlist/ignore list system based on the mentioned verifiable peer identities
- easy-to-use personal messaging with logging (so that you can check afterwards what you have been talking with each person)
- even better if you could pass hash number hotlinks in personal messages too ('here's a good track, try this' -> click -> download)
- intelligent leech control so that power users like Dawn (G.R.! ) don't get frustrated

If you still have steam left after the above, a more advanced social feature which would make your application hot:

- a mechanism for group formation and management (to form AudioGalaxy-type dedicated communities with group sends etc.)

Happy coding!

- tg

[Dawn]

[Stoepsel]

Hi Teclis,

add to the important points already mentioned by my fellow Napsterites:

• separate configurable queues for different file types (e.g. audio, video, ... -> )
• dynamically create new upload slots until maximum bandwidth is reached (like eDonkey does)
• implement clients for all popular platforms (Windows, Mac, Unix)
• some sort of bandwidth control would be nice (like WinMX)

I'll add to this list as soon as something else comes to mind.

Until then,
Stoepsel

[JohnDoe345]

Hey Teclis, it's nice to see that more fellow p2p users are actually making their own programs. It seems that you have your work cut out for you but since you asked I'll also throw in my suggestions...

What napho and TG have suggested are great and I agree with them. The only thing I would to add is to comment on the partial files suggested by napho:

-downloading from partial files(like eDonkey)

This is a great feature and I wish more p2p programs would use it. Putting the whole leeching debate aside this feature is great because it creates more sources right away rather then waiting for users to download files that can be as large as 700mb's. As file sizes get larger and larger the problem is only going to get worst and I'm sure most users disconnect the minute they are done downloading so finding more sources is always a pain at first.

Although, I don't believe you should use the same uploadling formula that edonkey uses. For example, when edonkey uploads files it splits your upload bandwidth into several slots. Normally this is ok because even though it's slow everyone else is doing it so you'll get a combined speed of many users.

The problem comes up when you are the only person sharing a file and you want to quickly spread it throughout the network. Edonkey splits your upload slots so that one user can't use your full upload speed. This slows down the spreading of rare files because it takes a long time for one person to get the complete file from you. Also, if you are sharing other files then your rare file is also competing against your other shared files for upload slots. It would nice to have a feature that allows you to give your max upload speed to one user for a rare file. When the file isn't rare anymore you can turn off this feature. Of course, it doesn't have to be exactly like that but I think you get my idea.

Edonkey basically took out almost all upload control from the users which has it's good and bad points. You don't want the users to have too much control were he/she can figure out a way to leech and you don't want too little control were users can't help the network.

If you can figure out how to do this and make it run as quick as FastTrack then I think you may have the new top p2p program of choice. You definitely do have an edge over other programs because you are actually listening to what users want. I wish you good luck, Teclis I'm sure creating a p2p program isn't an easy thing to do, but I'm sure most of us here at NU will be willing to help you if we can

p.s. Don't use Mircosoft's .NET. A lot users aren't willing to install it. Edonkey's new program called Flock uses it and may never become popular even though it's a nice program.

[Spaceboy]

>Good basic list, Napho. A little addition:

>- ability to search with hash numbers and use hash number >hotlinks from a browser (as in ShareReactor/Donkey etc.)

Yep. Definitely a good idea. As part of the program you could also include a forum where people could post edonkey style links.

[HaXor]

all I aks is that you keep it open source...... Help P2P to develop!!

[Mazer]

JohnDoe is right Teclis, any P2P that interacts with it's users and activly seeks user input will find itsef at the head of the pack in no time, and it's really something we've never seen before.

I myself would like to see boolean searching (something else we've never seen in a P2P before). I'd be nice to enter BT +"Sarah McLachlan" -BTO and get only the results I want.

Minumum share limits and ratios would be nice but you have to give a chance to the newbies who don't actually have anything to share, like a 30 day beginer's period.

How about a hotlist with an integrated chat window so you know who is browsing your files or so you can talk to other people browsing the same archive.

[Teclis]

ok! many ideas! good very good!THX PPL!
only one thing..I don't know if it will be opensource...we will see!
Features of the Filesharing Program:
+multi-source downloading(with constant searching for more sources)
+'decentralized network'
+'powerfull interface'
+'bandwidth control'
+downloading from partial files
+'hotlinks'(like edonkey..mhh...we will try it!k?
+probably 'partial file downloading'
+'decentral hotlist'(umm..thats hard!
+'great community felling'(forum,PM,chat,hotlist)
+'chat'based on irc(later decentral??)
and more?

ok I have to add one thing: I realy don't know if we could import it to linux and mac osX..but we will try it too!

do you want an internal player? if so..based on microshit player or a own playa?

[goldie]

Originally posted by Teclis
ok! many ideas! good very good!THX PPL!
only one thing..I don't know if it will be opensource...we will see!
Features of the Filesharing Program:
+multi-source downloading(with constant searching for more sources)
+'decentralized network'
+'powerfull interface'
+'bandwidth control'
+downloading from partial files
+'hotlinks'(like edonkey..mhh...we will try it!k?
+probably 'partial file downloading'
+'decentral hotlist'(umm..thats hard!
+'great community felling'(forum,PM,chat,hotlist)
+'chat'based on irc(later decentral??)
and more?

ok I have to add one thing: I realy don't know if we could import it to linux and mac osX..but we will try it too!

do you want an internal player? if so..based on microshit player or a own playa?

Sounds most excellent

<holding up my crucifix and garlic cloves> Puleez, no microshit players!!! . I'm a Winamp kinda gal .

I like the way winmx allows you to use yer own playa .

Best of Luck!!! I'd be honored to play with your new toy (when you're ready)

[twinspan]

Originally posted by Mazer
I myself would like to see boolean searching (something else we've never seen in a P2P before). I'd be nice to enter BT +"Sarah McLachlan" -BTO and get only the results I want.

ooh, ooh, yes, me too, I want that!

A great filesharing network and app has little point if you can't find what your looking for because your search results window gets cluttered up with a load of unwanted, irrelevant hits.