Diet Kaza 2.0 Beta Is Out!!! - P2P-Zone

25-09-02, 02:48 AM

Hey you guys, Chip made the beta version of Diet Kaza 2.0 which will work with Kazaa and Kazaa lite 2.0 and remeber its a beta plus for the read file go here DIET KAZA 2.0 BETA READ ME FILE , and download it at DIET KAZA 2.0 BETA DOWNLOAD Have FUN & Remember it makes your particapation level steady at 1000!!! BYE

napho · 25-09-02, 02:57 AM

Long Live Chip!

jaan · 25-09-02, 05:14 AM

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Originally posted by KALMANI
it makes your particapation level steady at 1000!!!

there you go... the ultimate argument in those long and heated "leech control" discussions: no matter what system you devise, somebody somewhere will hack it, and introduce their "leech-away-without-worrying" client to cheering public as a novelty...

a question: do you think the next KMD should follow DK's "innovation", and also boost everyones PL to 1000?

- jaan

TankGirl · 25-09-02, 06:03 AM

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Originally posted by jaan
there you go... the ultimate argument in those long and heated "leech control" discussions: no matter what system you devise, somebody somewhere will hack it, and introduce their "leech-away-without-worrying" client to cheering public as a novelty...

a question: do you think the next KMD should follow DK's "innovation", and also boost everyones PL to 1000?

- jaan

Hi jaan, nice to see you around!

My conclusion from cases like this is that in a decentralized environment a client must treat any declarations by other clients (especially those that are used as some kind of merits for better bandwidth or queue treatment) as declarations only until they can be directly verified or confirmed by trusted peer contacts (if the network supports trust relations between peers). As the example shows, closed source clients are not any safer against cheating and other abuse than open source ones.

- tg

JackSpratts · 25-09-02, 09:11 AM

my feeling is that leech systems shouldn't be automated but should be under the exclusive control of the host, as he or she's the one who's harmed. if the host doesn't mind, then the upload continues. if the host has a problem with the leech then the upload can be stopped. two things are helpful for this; one is an easy way to manually browse files plus the u/loaders' nick should be followed by an "amount of shared files number", say "jackspratts@grokster5264" and the other is an easy way to manually stop uploads that also blocks the uploader from reaquiring any file from the host during the session. the protocol should be reviewed regularly, tested against hackers and changed when needed. automated systems sound good in theory but in practice are usually flawed and abused, as noted.

automated leech controls, like other forms of social control, may end up harming honest people more than they do dishonest ones i fear.

the kazaa control is already getting a reputation as leech friendly for this reason. when it harms honest users to any large degree it offers them yet another reason to migrate to a different client. no one likes being a sucker.

- js.

zombywoof · 25-09-02, 09:42 AM

Question..........Wouldn't anyone be compelled to try or use an app, if you can get it that enhances your searches and or downloads?

jaan · 25-09-02, 11:03 AM

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Originally posted by JackSpratts
my feeling is that leech systems shouldn't be automated but should be under the exclusive control of the host

i think you are missing the point. as tankgirl pointed out, no system is hack-proof if it relies on information from untrusted peer. no matter if it's automated or not.

in your example, i'm sure both the username and file list would be altered to give out an impression of a "sharing god". provided there's enough motivation for hackers (ie enough users applying the non-automated control) to alter them that is.

- jaan

JackSpratts · 25-09-02, 11:16 AM

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Originally posted by jaan
i think you are missing the point. as tankgirl pointed out, no system is hack-proof if it relies on information from untrusted peer. no matter if it's automated or not.

in your example, i'm sure both the username and file list would be altered to give out an impression of a "sharing god". provided there's enough motivation for hackers (ie enough users applying the non-automated control) to alter them that is.

- jaan

missing the point? lol, it is the point. kazaa's been out over a year and no one to my knowledge has corrupted the "find more from same user" info, up to now used as a manual leech control among other things, whereas this new automated scheme's been compromised in less than 24 hours.

- js.

[Dark] · 25-09-02, 11:49 AM

seems to be gone...anyone grab this??

zombywoof · 25-09-02, 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by DarkManX
seems to be gone...anyone grab this??

yea..you need it?

[Dark] · 25-09-02, 11:58 AM

yes i do....

zombywoof · 25-09-02, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DarkManX
yes i do....

Check yer PM

jaan · 25-09-02, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JackSpratts
kazaa's been out over a year and no one to my knowledge has corrupted the "find more from same user" info, up to now used as a manual leech control among other things, whereas this new automated scheme's been compromised in less than 24 hours.

sure, but the reason behind that is that there's more motivation to hack an automated scheme, not because they are inherently easier to hack, as you seemed to imply. (the increased motivation, in turn, comes from the fact that automated schemes are more effective/visible in general.) my apologies if i misunderstood you.

- jaan

[Dark] · 25-09-02, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by oscar

Check yer PM

thanks mate!

JediForce77 · 26-09-02, 03:05 PM

Can someone help me get the new DietK 2.0 beta?
Link doesn't work, can't find it on any websites, or FTC.

zombywoof · 26-09-02, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JediForce77
Can someone help me get the new DietK 2.0 beta?
Link doesn't work, can't find it on any websites, or FTC.

PM sent

JediForce77 · 26-09-02, 04:37 PM

Thank you Works great.

Diet Kaza 2.0 beta 1 ready for testing...

neptuneswheel · 05-10-02, 12:16 AM

Hey Oscar, can you get me a copy of dietk2? I went to the irc tonight trying to get it, but it was a hoax. Chip was messing around trying to get a bunch of people in his chat.

zombywoof · 05-10-02, 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by neptuneswheel
Hey Oscar, can you get me a copy of dietk2? I went to the irc tonight trying to get it, but it was a hoax. Chip was messing around trying to get a bunch of people in his chat.

I didn't stick around either.

25-09-02, 02:48 AM	#1
KALMANI Posts: n/a	Diet Kaza 2.0 Beta Is Out!!! Hey you guys, Chip made the beta version of Diet Kaza 2.0 which will work with Kazaa and Kazaa lite 2.0 and remeber its a beta plus for the read file go here DIET KAZA 2.0 BETA READ ME FILE , and download it at DIET KAZA 2.0 BETA DOWNLOAD Have FUN & Remember it makes your particapation level steady at 1000!!! BYE Last edited by KALMANI : 25-09-02 at 04:01 AM.

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25-09-02, 02:57 AM	#2
napho Dawn's private genie Join Date: May 2001 Location: the Canadian wasteland Posts: 4,461	Long Live Chip!

25-09-02, 09:11 AM	#5
JackSpratts Join Date: May 2001 Location: New England Posts: 10,018	my feeling is that leech systems shouldn't be automated but should be under the exclusive control of the host, as he or she's the one who's harmed. if the host doesn't mind, then the upload continues. if the host has a problem with the leech then the upload can be stopped. two things are helpful for this; one is an easy way to manually browse files plus the u/loaders' nick should be followed by an "amount of shared files number", say "jackspratts@grokster5264" and the other is an easy way to manually stop uploads that also blocks the uploader from reaquiring any file from the host during the session. the protocol should be reviewed regularly, tested against hackers and changed when needed. automated systems sound good in theory but in practice are usually flawed and abused, as noted. automated leech controls, like other forms of social control, may end up harming honest people more than they do dishonest ones i fear. the kazaa control is already getting a reputation as leech friendly for this reason. when it harms honest users to any large degree it offers them yet another reason to migrate to a different client. no one likes being a sucker. - js.

25-09-02, 09:42 AM	#6
zombywoof Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 2,160	Question..........Wouldn't anyone be compelled to try or use an app, if you can get it that enhances your searches and or downloads?

25-09-02, 11:49 AM	#9
[Dark] 1981 - 2003 Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 2,126	seems to be gone...anyone grab this??

25-09-02, 11:58 AM	#11
[Dark] 1981 - 2003 Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 2,126	yes i do....

26-09-02, 03:05 PM	#15
JediForce77 A Jedi's Strength Flows From TheForce.net Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 18	Can someone help me get the new DietK 2.0 beta? Link doesn't work, can't find it on any websites, or FTC.

26-09-02, 04:37 PM	#17
JediForce77 A Jedi's Strength Flows From TheForce.net Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 18	Thank you Works great. Diet Kaza 2.0 beta 1 ready for testing...

05-10-02, 12:16 AM	#18
neptuneswheel Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 2	Hey Oscar, can you get me a copy of dietk2? I went to the irc tonight trying to get it, but it was a hoax. Chip was messing around trying to get a bunch of people in his chat.