Russian School Massacre

[floydian slip]

Good idea Toy Boy

Now President Putin's statement, which is in the press, and which you can get copies of otherwise, is appropriate and ominous, in its characterization, that:

Russia has recognized it is under attack by terrorist methods, from sources outside Russia, which have a strategic interest in reducing Russia to impotence from its current status as a power. As some of this is reflected, in some of the European press, is, the argument is: Russia must pull its forces out of the Caucasus. That's the object.

We know there are people in the United States, including people who lap into the Democratic Party itself, through certain channels, who are behind this operation. This is an attack, a geopolitical attack, on a nuclear power, Russia; and, Putin, in plain language, without going further than need be said, is saying exactly that.

http://www.larouchepub.com/pr_lar/20...statement.html


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http://www.forbes.com/business/feeds...ap1532994.html

Associated Press
Yukos Woes Increase With Collection Order
09.07.2004, 04:59 PM

Russia's Tax Ministry has slapped Yukos with a collection order on part of a back tax claim, raising the total due to $6.1 billion, the embattled company said Tuesday.

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more interestingness


http://oag.ru/views/ivashov_who.html

Who's Noticing the NATO danger?

So what's going on with Russia-NATO relations? To answer this question, let's try to get to the bottom of NATO's essence, its position and role in today's world.

A.I. Neklessa, Doctor of Economic Sciences, member of the Academy of Geopolitical Issues, affirms that today we're seeing the emergence of a new world civilization. And he's not alone in his assertion.

I've also spoken many times of the emergence of a new geopolitical subject of supra-national character onto the world arena. This is the world financial elite and transnational corporations, consolidated in the name of world dominion, control over all countries and all coalitions of countries.

This new geopolitical phenomenon is interesting in that it unites the richest people on the planet and a developed network of financial institutions -- more than 500 of the mightiest TNCs, possessing capital in excess of 16 trillion dollars and accounting for more than 25% of the world's industrial production.

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more with the NATO thing

The attackers - described by the authorities as including Chechens, Ingush, ethnic Russians and some still-unidentified foreigners - seemed to follow a plan after they seized the school with precision and alacrity, forcing their hostages to help place explosives and build barricades that limited the options of Russian forces outside.

The attackers wore NATO-issued camouflage. They carried gas masks, compasses and first-aid kits. They communicated with hand-held radios, and brought along two sentry dogs, as expertly trained as the attackers themselves, the officials said. All suggested detailed planning, including surveillance and possibly rehearsals, the officials said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/06/in...pe/06plot.html



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CHECHENS HELPED BY BRITAIN & UNITED STATES

Chechen Aslan Maskhadov & Akhmed Zakayv Helped By Britain & United States

NewsNight Hosted by Aaron Brown on CNN
NewsNight 09/07/04, spokesperson Richard Boucher from the U.S.
State Department admitted that the U.S. Government has been in
contact with Chechen terrorists. When the State Department
Boucher of the Bush Administration was saying this, he bowed his
head (probably in shame).



(pic below) A police officer stands in front of a slogan with a portrait
of Akhmed Zakayev and reading 'Want to help? Extradite
Zakayev!' during a mass rally against terrorism at the Kremlin
in Moscow, Tuesday, Sept. 7, 2004. Akhmed Zakayev, an envoy
for former separatist Chechen President Aslan Maskhadov, has
been granted asylum in Britain and the Foreign Ministry said
Russia will take new steps seeking the extradition of people
it says are linked with terrorism. Tens of thousands of
Russians massed outside the Kremlin for a rally against
terrorism Tuesday.

[daddydirt]

Putin knew.
Bush knew before Putin.
Cheney was first to know. (he planned it)
Kerry knew before he didn't know. (subject to change)

[legion]

words kinda fail me when young kids, who have no part in the ordeal in the chechen republic, are being held hostage. terrorist taking potshots at them while they are trying to flee from the scene. I heard ( i can't verify it ) that one of them was shot in the back 46 times


I wonder what drives people to such an act without a doubt on my mind they had to be exposed to serious violence themselves. Still FFS the are/were kids.

I am not a supporter for the death penalty but boy this comes bloody close

Antoher sad day for humanity entire

[JackSpratts]

Originally Posted by toy boy

I wonder what drives people to such an act

a decade's worth of russians blowing apart their kids is probably one cause.

- js.

[miss_silver]

Originally Posted by toy boy

who have no part in the ordeal in the chechen republic.

True enough, but sadly, the word terrorisim or just terror justify all these things. I feel for those family who lost a young loved one but hey, the same thing happened in the vietnam war, even tho it was never justified.

Originally Posted by toy boy

Still FFS the are/were kids.

Yes they were, so are the kids in Darfour who are daily getting murdered for the color of their skin.

ever think of those poor saps in the third world, they die everyday and need no terrorist of to do so, they only need big power corp to do the job

[legion]

Originally Posted by miss_silver

True enough, but sadly, the word terrorisim or just terror justify all these things. I feel for those family who lost a young loved one but hey, the same thing happened in the vietnam war, even tho it was never justified.



Yes they were, so are the kids in Darfour who are daily getting murdered for the color of their skin.

ever think of those poor saps in the third world, they die everyday and need no terrorist of to do so, they only need big power corp to do the job

miss silver, wouldn't you agree with me that it is hard to justify any war? The war in vietnam was in a different time, when the cold war was at a peak (hardly justifiable i know) but the world political situation was a different one than the one we are having right now.

yes i have thought about those poor saps in the third world and i was under the impression that those kids in dafour are not only killed for the colour of their skin but that the religious militia responsible for those attacks are backed by the army of the current regime. To invade the country in question would be nothing more than another vietnam, yugoslavia or iraq for it is still an internal/civil '''''war''''' within a souvereign state


I agree jack, however i don't think you would say the same thing when a group of iraqis would hijack a U.S. high school, blowing more than 100 American kids to smithereens because they had to suffer MORE than 10 years of sanctions against their fellow country men while being bombed from time to time throughout those years.
i think if we take a hard and long look at the situation during those years i think we come to see a death toll higher than the amount of victims that have fallen in this war so far. In our name by the way coz those sanctions were implemented (<-- did i spell that right?) by the united nations

[malvachat]

Alexs is at it again.

http://infowars.com/print/world/russian_seige.htm

[JackSpratts]

Originally Posted by toy boy

I agree jack, however i don't think you would say the same thing when a group of iraqis...

why wouldn't i?

- js.

[multi]

Originally Posted by toy boy

words kinda fail me when young kids, who have no part in the ordeal in the chechen republic, are being held hostage. terrorist taking potshots at them while they are trying to flee from the scene. I heard ( i can't verify it ) that one of them was shot in the back 46 times


I wonder what drives people to such an act without a doubt on my mind they had to be exposed to serious violence themselves. Still FFS the are/were kids.

I am not a supporter for the death penalty but boy this comes bloody close

Antoher sad day for humanity entire

problem with giving these sort of fanatics (bali bobmbers ..ect) death peanalty is you give them the matyr status they want
that could influence 100's of young followers to imitate
locking them up for the rest of their lives and subjecting them to the occasional torture(getting escorted to a starbucks for coffee ..ect j/k)
would probably have the same effect in the long run..

i agree that when you see people maliciously kill kids like that,the first thing you think is..
death is the best thing for them...
its safe to say that soft targets killed for political reasons and ones killed by your average nutcase screwed up by western society are equaly deserving of some sort of justice..but no justice ever adresses the root causes of the extreme actions of these a55holes..it only ever serves to pluck them out of the system ....
its very similar to how we deal with disease

[malvachat]

A bit of a serious debate.
Oh goody goody.
I myself don't know what to believe anymore.
As reading for up on a subject,yes I'll read anything.
It won't matter to me what a person has done I'll
still listen to what he/she has to say.
Unfortunately in the real world.
If a guy/gal is a Pratt,
I can't give much credence to what they say.
I do know one thing.
Giving in to terrorism in any way doesn't work.
Just like blackmail.
Or as I like to think the school bully.
I was always taught never give in to bully's.
(Take note America)
My politics are confusing.
I like to think of myself as a bit of a socialist.
Trade union man all my life.
But as far as anti social behaviour goes,
and things like terrorism.
(Anybody who knows me understands my next statement)

KILL THE BASTARDS.

[Heathcliff]

Well I ain't shit at debates but I do know a few things:

If Regan hadn't funded the Afghan rebels just to spite the hell out of our supposed enemies the Soviets we wouldn't have had the Taliban.

That was the first mistake.

And if that dumbassed weepy Christian Carter had've acted like he had some balls it would have ended with him. But NO! He had to play the great warrior for Jesus and stir the pot some more.

We need more good God-fearing Christians to lead us back to the Dark Ages.

That was the second mistake.

Then along comes the mindless figurehead Regan with the diabolical Bush family behind him pulling the strings, who are all congenitally sociopathic criminals who'll jump into bed with anybody for a buck. This world-class disgrace cook up a plan to steal by proxy the oil of Iraq by slant drilling Iraq's oil fields by their lackeys in Kuwait.

That was the third mistake.

And just to show their total disregard for humanity they con bought-and-paided-for lackey Hussein into giving them a pretext to attack him, to steal his oil too of course. Now Shrub has a real job so daddy won't have to fly his coke in special and take up space on the planes that could be better used for WMD's for our new lackeys in central and south America to murder anybody with even a whiff of leftism in their heart.

That was mistakes 4, 5, and six.

And still the "Chosen people" slumber.

And now we have another self-proclaimed True Believer Child of God, washed in the blood and gore of Jesus, trying to con the same Afghans with a massive pipeline deal which, low and behold, was basically an outright theft of Caspian natural gas.

Was it hard to get the stinch out of the ol' ranch after your boyz left Shrub?

Hey, just pay off a few more right-wing dictators, what difference does it make? Hell they'll sell out their own people and the World Bank will handle all the zeros. We might even make good christians out of them. Amen! Let Capitalism rule!

And as if to add irony upon irony your basic pickup truck worshipping shit faced American scratches his head and wonders why a billion people steeped in the philosophy of blood feud and revenge is after his ass.

This country needs an enema. Unfortunately it's hooked on political junk food so it'll just fill up with shit till it explodes.

What has all this got to do with the Russian's? As usual, they're just victims of our psychopathic greed and brinksmanship.

It could come any day.

[multi]

to me the russian terror attacks are a symptom of their confilct
like israel like the US in iraq
its people fighting back with the only means left to them..
(not condoning these disgusting acts wich is a waste of human life..but just trying look at the root causes)
yet another case of poor misplaced people fighting well funded and equiped
armies...

what the war on terror really tries to do is tie all these different conflicts together..and make a nice sellable package and to lock in certain international policies

3years into it ..and nothing but attempts to escalate it and deceptivly combine 3(or more) different conflicts into one wich effects everyone in the west

killing kids and innocent civilians is wrong
i dont want to make light of that..
but there is an alarming pattern to all this..
not to mention oil and pipeline routes almost figures into all of this..

[theknife]

Originally Posted by multi

to me the russian terror attacks are a symptom of their confilct
like israel like the US in iraq
its people fighting back with the only means left to them..
(not condoning these disgusting acts wich is a waste of human life..but just trying look at the root causes)
yet another case of poor misplaced people fighting well funded and equiped
armies...

what the war on terror really tries to do is tie all these different conflicts together..and make a nice sellable package and to lock in certain international policies

3years into it ..and nothing but attempts to escalate it and deceptivly combine 3(or more) different conflicts into one wich effects everyone in the west

killing kids and innocent civilians is wrong
i dont want to make light of that..
but there is an alarming pattern to all this..
not to mention oil and pipeline routes almost figures into all of this..

so what happens when Putin invokes the Bush Doctrine, justifying a Russian attack on any country that makes him uncomfortable?

[multi]

Originally Posted by theknife

so what happens when Putin invokes the Bush Doctrine, justifying a Russian attack on any country that makes him uncomfortable?

aren't they doing that already?

[miss_silver]

Originally Posted by multi

aren't they doing that already?

So true

Just let chechnia be an independent state or country, clamping down on it will not help the matter, only will create more terrorists acts or worse, more terrorists.