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19-06-05, 01:07 PM | #1 | ||||
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A Generational Committment To Iraq
Condi Rice, on Fox News this morning:
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19-06-05, 02:40 PM | #2 |
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Iraq has some pretty good oil fields, the people are educated, and there's lots of motivation. I still think they'll show signs of becomming self sufficient in a year or two. I dont' think you can actually measure how long a generation is, it's a group of people rather than a span of time. You may have noticed that the 'political pendulum' swings back and forth with the comming and going of each generation, and right now it's swinging toward the conservative side. It probably wasn't just this administration that chose to liberate Iraq as much as this whole generation. And when the pendulum swings again this nation will turn it's back on Iraq and leave them to their own devices. Hopefully before that happens they mature enough to be left alone.
Maybe the message to liberals here is that your turn is comming, but first the rest of us have important work to do, so be patient and don't try to stop us. Help out if you want, give constructive criticism, keep those in power from losing sight of the goal of Iraqi soverignty, adapt to these changes, and most of all keep a positive attitude. You can't stop the tide, but you can ride it, that's what we're doing, and you would do no less if the tide favored you. In the mean time make some improvements to your party's orgainzation to keep wackos like Howard Dean from making it impossible for you to lead responsibly in the future. |
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SSSHHHHHHHHH Whose side are you on Mazer?
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"showing signs of becoming self-sufficient in a year or two" is not a good reason for young Americans to keep dying - i would suggest if you feel otherwise, you should down and see your local army recruiter because they desperately need young believers like yourself. but before you put your life in the hands of the leaders who brought us this train wreck, you might want to check out a more realistic assessment of the situation from top Senate Republican Chuck Hagel: Quote:
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19-06-05, 08:56 PM | #5 | |
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Selective definition is a poor defense of your position. Here's the entire entry from the link you gave:
If you're so worried about the plight of this generation then you should run a "Don't Drink and Drive/Buckle Up for Safety" campaign, you'll save more lives that way. If I joined the military and went to Iraq I'd be more likely to be sued by the RIAA for filesharing than to be killed. Quote:
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20-06-05, 09:34 AM | #6 | |
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and, like so many others, your enthusiasm for the mission in Iraq exists only to the extent that people other than yourself actually carry it out. we can only hope, for their sake, that Secretary Rice is wrong. |
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20-06-05, 05:37 PM | #7 |
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Please don't question my reasons for supporting this war, or my reasons for staying home, because it's beneath you. I don't doubt that you support those troops every bit as much as I do, and I agree that they need to come home as soon as possible. But I am certain those soldiers understand the terms of their commitment, and whether or not they really want to be there they'll fulfill those terms. By now there are many soldiers there who signed up after the war started and they knew full well what they were getting themselves into. That a generation is willing to make such a commiment demonstrates the merit many young volunteers see in this struggle. It was their decisions as free citizens to enlist during wartime, and for that their loyalty is not to be questioned.
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21-06-05, 08:56 AM | #8 |
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Let's try being consistant knife. People are also being killed and maimed pursuing the dangerous activity of surfing; drownings, shark attacks....and it's been going on for generations. Why don't you try to stop that useless loss of human life? It's not even helping any poor, oppressed people.
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Again well said, but he will not understand it. Some people rise up when their country calls on them and some run to Canada or defect to North Korea. One person is not better then the other, just different. This - only people who are or have been to Iraq to fight should support this administration’s decision to go into Iraq is garbage. I believe 52,000,000 plus people voted for Bush the last election.
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21-06-05, 01:11 PM | #10 | |
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after 3 years in Iraq, recruitment is down 40%, soldiers are not re-enlisting, and attrition is high. the army is stretched thin and desperately needs people, period. so, isn't it time that those people who believe in this mission, those who are young and able-bodied, those who think it is a good and righteous war - isn't it time for those people to step up to the plate and enlist? and if not, why not? isn't freeing the Iraqi people worth the sacrifice? and if it's not worth it for you, why should it be worth for anyone else? isn't it interesting that the president, who can focus on a Social Security problem 40 years out, hasn't spoken a word to encourage enlistment to help a problem that is happening right now, for a war he started? and all the war preachers, the Limbaughs and the Hannitys, never urge their faithful to enlist? could it be because Iraq is a one-way ticket to hell for no apparent reason and, and deep down, everybody knows it? These War Preachers, Politicians, War Pundits, and 101st Fighting Keyboarders -- they like to talk a tough game, but they don't have the balls to tell their readers, viewers, and supporters to head down to their local recruitment office - and they certainly don't have the balls to enlist themselves. Mazer, i'm not questioning your reasons for supporting this war or your reasons for staying home - i'm questioning your reasons for supporting this war and staying home. now, it's a rhetorical question and certainly none of my business whatsoever - but that doesn't make the question any less valid. |
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21-06-05, 01:18 PM | #11 |
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Shit, now I can't support my favorite football team cause I don't play.
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21-06-05, 06:04 PM | #12 |
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Dave Barry comes to mind...
Sports radio talk show host: "Where are the Gator fans now? All you Gators call when you WIN, but now that you LOSE, you don't have the guts."Listener calls in: "I'm a Gator fan. And I'm calling."Half an hour later: "...point is that all these Gators ever do is talk trash, and then when they lose, you don't hear a peep out of 'em."And an other hour goes by: "...not hearing what I'm saying. What I'm saying is, when they lose—not now, tonight, but when they play a game and LOSE—then I don't hear a peep from Gator fans." |
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Yes freeing the Iraqi people is worth it, but Islam is stuck in the 13th century at best and it is going to be very tough to build a free nation in Iraq, Iraq will never be free like America in my opinion. Iraq may become as free as the Muslim culture will produce. Or, it may sink in tribal civil war. A quote – “Liberty prospers under stability and security. Liberty doesn’t create stability and security. Remember the French and Russian Revolutions, WW I and, especially, America’s Civil War. Elections everywhere won’t bring peace. Ideas will. Until Islam changes or Muslims convert, a minority of Muslims will threaten stability and security.” – I will add this awell Quote:
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22-06-05, 01:47 PM | #14 |
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of course. it's all the media's fault. if they could just stop reporting the news, everything would be fine.
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22-06-05, 02:03 PM | #15 |
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I like how you ignore the big picture and focus on the little things, pick one or two lines out of paragraphs and twist them to fit your little little world.
So where does it say the media is completely at fault? I don't see it. Stick to catching waves dude! Hang loose!!!!
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22-06-05, 03:48 PM | #17 |
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Why can't you just be happy for knife Sinner?
Bush is trying to make the world a better place and every bit of difficulty adds a ray of sunshine to tk's life. Haven't you noticed how much more cheerful he's become since the election. |
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How do you fix this recruitment problem as you see it if you don't know WHY fewer people are enlisting?
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Yes, and I guess democrats don't fall into the "101st Fighting Keyboarders", we could just call them the 101st propagandist Keyboarders.
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Young Republican National Conference meets in Las Vegas, July 6-9...liberal blog Crooks & Liars tried to place an ad in thier official program, urging young Republicans to enlist and support the war effort. the ad was refused with the following explanation:
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