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Old 21-01-07, 12:52 PM   #1
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it seems the latest I heard out of Iran is the Ayatolla has ordered the president to 'stay out of all matters nuclear'

haven't looked for any source for this yet.. but it sounds like things could be happing there that might become more diplomatic and with some possible outcome like the NK talks on the same subject

it could need a false flag attack of some sort to unleash the dogs of war
because i get the feeling that there are some very interested parties that want very much for a nuclear confontaion to happen with Iran
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it sounds like things could be happing there that might become more diplomatic and with some possible outcome like the NK talks on the same subject
There are no coincidences, only the illusion of them, or so I've heard. I don't believe that a diplomatic solution to both nuclear threats will come swiftly or easily, but this is a good sign that a diplomatic solution is possible.

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because i get the feeling that there are some very interested parties that want very much for a nuclear confontaion to happen with Iran
Not surprisingly the people who invested millions in R&D in bunker buster missiles want to see their investment mature. I hope to see them disappointed. On this occasion the Democrats may actually make the world safer, for once.
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Old 21-01-07, 05:39 PM   #3
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Iran’s strongman loses grip as ayatollah offers nuclear deal
Marie Colvin and Leila Asgharzadeh, Tehran


IRAN’S supreme leader is considering a change of policy on the country’s nuclear programme in an effort to defuse growing tension with the West, according to senior sources in Tehran.

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Old 21-01-07, 07:43 PM   #4
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it could need a false flag attack of some sort to unleash the dogs of war because i get the feeling that there are some very interested parties that want very much for a nuclear confontaion to happen with Iran
well, let's see, there's Bush, Cheney, a handful of neocons, Sinner, and maybe a couple of others who are interested in a confrontation with Iran....but since it's gonna be about 10 years before Iran is even able to make all the ingredients, they have a long wait before the confrontation is gonna be nuclear.

perhaps we'll be able to put some grown-ups in the White House in the interim.
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Old 21-01-07, 09:56 PM   #5
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after that ,who knows..
maybe it will just happen all over again at the start of next Republican term of office

it tends to be approximately 10 year cycles

nah.. that would be too pat
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Old 22-01-07, 12:15 PM   #6
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Why the sudden change in the rhetoric and propaganda?

The nuclear fearmongering wasn't working. That's why.

Now we have "Iranians killing Americans" as the new and improved mantra for more war with absolutely 0 evidence or proof; just the Bush admin saying it is so and trying like hell to make it so.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16710690/from/RS.4/

The Bush admin: Lie Lie Lie Deny Deny Deny; then when enough time has passed say that's old news....

It's all about accountability.

We voted for a new Congress that WILL do it's job.
They had better start yesterday.
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My previous replies stand. You're misinterpreting a change in style as a change in rhetoric. Honest mistake.
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Old 29-01-07, 10:28 PM   #8
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U.S.-Iran tensions could trigger accidental war, military and analysts say

DOHA, Qatar: Tensions between the United States and Iran have risen to the point where a war could be kicked off by mistake, an outcome that neither Tehran nor Washington wants, U.S. military officials and private analysts say.

A U.S. military official here likened the current U.S.-Iran standoff to the buildup in hostility in Europe before World War I, when a duke's assassination triggered a tragic war that engulfed a continent.

"A mistake could be made and you could end up in something that neither side ever really wanted, and suddenly it's August 1914 all over again," the U.S. officer said on condition of anonymity, because of the sensitivity of the issue. "I really believe neither side wants a fight."

Iraq is already a proxy battleground between Washington and Tehran, and the U.S. military escalation in the region — including the recent deployment of a second carrier battle group to the Gulf region and plans to send 21,500 more troops to Iraq — makes a full-blown war with Iran more likely, said Vali Nasr, an Iran expert at the U.S. Naval Postgraduate School.

"The U.S. escalation could trigger greater conflict, especially since Iraq provides an unstable context in which it can happen," Nasr said Monday.

In Tehran, political analyst Hermidas Bavand said U.S. force increases were leading many Iranians to believe Washington is looking to pick a fight, perhaps one that would overshadow America's disastrous intervention in Iraq.

"It's an extremely dangerous situation. I don't think Tehran wants war under any circumstances. But there might be an accidental event that could escalate into a large confrontation," Bavand said. "It could be difficult to contain."

The United States and Iran are locked in an escalating series of provocations. Washington accuses Iran of arming and training Shiite Muslim extremists in Iraq. U.S. troops have responded with arresting of Iranian diplomats in Iraq, and the White House has said U.S. President George W. Bush signed an order allowing U.S. troops to kill or capture Iranians inside Iraq.

"If you're in Iraq and trying to kill our troops, then you should consider yourself a target," U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates has said last week.

The two countries also are in dispute over Tehran's controversial nuclear program. The United States accuses Iran of secretly developing atomic weapons — an allegation Tehran denies. Iran's defiant refusal to suspend uranium enrichment lead the U.N. Security Council to impose limited economic sanctions.

The U.S.-Iran standoff complicates the Qatar-based U.S. Central Command's work overseeing the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Centcom commander Gen. John Abizaid, set to retire in March, is required to calibrate Tehran's reactions to the extra U.S. warships and troops making their way to the region. Centcom also must keeps close tabs on Iranian military maneuvers and internal political developments.

Iranian coast guard vessels recently veered into territorial waters on the Arab side of the Persian Gulf, an event that could have been viewed as either a mistake or a provocation, the U.S. officer said. Both sides are on tenterhooks.

"You see little things. A boat crosses a line. Like their coast guard. But what does it mean? You've got to be very careful about overreacting," the officer said in an interview on a U.S. base in Qatar. "It's a problem. It certainly makes Gen. Abizaid's job a lot more complicated."

Iran's military has more than 500,000 troops and an antiquated collection of ships, aircraft, ballistic missiles and other weapons. U.S. military analysts describe the Iranian military as large but ineffective.

Surrounding Iran are more than 200,000 U.S. troops in bases scattered across Iraq, Afghanistan, Bahrain, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Turkey, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates. The U.S. Navy has a carrier battle group in the region and another on the way, and dozens of U.S. bombers and strike aircraft are arrayed on bases surrounding Iran.

Those U.S. bases — and not Iran's archenemy Israel — provide the likeliest targets for an Iranian strike, the U.S. officer said. Gates said this month that the Pentagon was dispatching an additional Patriot missile defense battery to the Gulf region, ostensibly to protect U.S. bases.

"We're a little closer than the Israelis. We're a better target for him," the officer said, speaking of Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Any war "would be a very short and very violent fight," he said.

Nasr, the Iran expert at the U.S. Naval school, and the U.S. officer cautioned that Washington's ongoing focus on Ahmadinejad's anti-Western rhetoric may strengthen the hard-line's president's position even among his critics back home.

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Old 12-02-07, 03:33 AM   #9
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Since when do the Iranians use English or is this proof that the Bush admin is secretly arming Iran?

The ineptitude of the Bush admin continues to boggle the minds of sane people everywhere.

http://cernigsnewshog.blogspot.com/2...ieve-this.html
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