multi says-say no to any sort of spyware

[multi]

yes
spy ware is in a lot of these progams for the unwary
to go Oh th@ would be nice, something like an personal information gathering utility th@makes life ©EASIER© ! or a software update checking tool (well......need i say more)
the corporations allready run (read:ruin) this planet
it only has taken them a few years to do the same 2 the net

they dont want yr soul just yr profile
BTW
AG sattelite th@ i mention above was seemingly good allround
NP

ok also i have got to ask does any body know of some way to stop the double click cookies it seem like they go in no matter where i go on the net,what sites distubute them
maybe some1 one knows an info page?

[AweShucks]

My general rule has always been not to use spyware infested programs. I don't support them/suggest them/I just delete them. Often times I may or may not be missing out on a good program but if the program is that good I would probably pay for it.
Never had tried Audiogalaxy as early versions carried Webhancer and caused alot of problems with peoples computers.
I sometimes really get a kick out of programs like Gozilla. Free version carries spyware/PAY version carries spyware go figure?

Plenty of options out there for free "clean" programs sometimes it is better to just move on.

[TankGirl]

Originally posted by AweShucks
My general rule has always been not to use spyware infested programs. I don't support them/suggest them/I just delete them.

Same policy here. Some of that stuff (like Audiogalaxy) sounds interesting but I can well live without it. The truth is that if a company installs spyware to finance their operations I don't trust them even if they claim that you can opt out the spyware during installation or remove it afterwards. Like the recent VX2/Audiogalaxy incident shows the spyware-financed companies themselves don't always know (or at least they claim not to know) what extra software is being bundled to their programs, not to talk about what these nice little extras actually do in your computer. No thanks.

- tg

[pgs92109]

Does anyone have an updated list of file-sharing programs that place spyware on your computer? As I recall, it is as follows.

Spyware: Audiogalaxy, Bearshare

No spyware: WinMX, Morpheus, Xolox, Audiognome, File Navigator, Aimster, Napigator

Recently, I heard that Grokster, Limewire, and Kazaa place a "clicktillyouwin" trojan on your computer when you download them. Should these three apps be placed in the "spyware" category?

Any comments on this would be greatly appreciated.

[multi]

i personaly find those constant
click till u win emails&popups
fairly invasive
i will check on th@ list
good idea!

[zombywoof]

Originally posted by pgs92109
Does anyone have an updated list of file-sharing programs that place spyware on your computer? As I recall, it is as follows.

Spyware: Audiogalaxy, Bearshare

No spyware: WinMX, Morpheus, Xolox, Audiognome, File Navigator, Aimster, Napigator

Recently, I heard that Grokster, Limewire, and Kazaa place a "clicktillyouwin" trojan on your computer when you download them. Should these three apps be placed in the "spyware" category?

Any comments on this would be greatly appreciated.

These links should help:

http://www.cexx.org/adware.htm
http://www.spychecker.com

[pgs92109]

Oscar: thanks for the links. I'll check out those sites.

MIUF: all the while I've been posting tonight, I've had the Australian Open tennis tournament on live, which I believe is in Melbourne. I guess you are not there watching! In fact, it just ended. Johanssen beat Safin. Looked like it was hotter than hell there yesterday during the women's final!

[multi]

yep it surely fried them
its been not th@hot here till
yesterday then it come on with a vengence

i have put a spy checker search @ morphia
hope they dont mind

[TankGirl]

Originally posted by pgs92109
Does anyone have an updated list of file-sharing programs that place spyware on your computer? As I recall, it is as follows.

Spyware: Audiogalaxy, Bearshare

No spyware: WinMX, Morpheus, Xolox, Audiognome, File Navigator, Aimster, Napigator

Recently, I heard that Grokster, Limewire, and Kazaa place a "clicktillyouwin" trojan on your computer when you download them. Should these three apps be placed in the "spyware" category?

Any comments on this would be greatly appreciated.

Kazaa 1.3.1. was bundled with 6 (!) spyware proggies - New.net, Onflow, WebHancer , msbb, TOPtext and Cydoor - some of which you could opt out successfully during installation. If you have had recent versions of Kazaa on your computer have a look at here for removal instructions.

Grokster has had at least eZula bundled to it so I would not recommend using it either.

From Salon's recent story The parasite economy:


"When you're skulking around the hidden recesses of someone's system, placing hidden software that captures activity and sends it home to the mothership, you have the capability to do anything," says Ray Everett-Church, a well-known privacy consultant. "This includes capturing every keystroke, reading every file. It could even modify your e-mail after you hit 'send,' adding or deleting things without your knowledge. You name it, [these programs] can be designed to do it."

- tg

[pgs92109]

TG, thanks for the info. Fortunately I have downloaded neither Kazaa nor Grokster. In fact that is why I'm checking here first. It's better never to have the stuff on your computer than have it and then try to get rid of it. Your quote is right on. Spyware could be used for very malevolent means.

[shoes58]

I used AdAware this evening and found 41 instinces (? spl.) of spyware! I have never, to my knowledge, downloaded software containing spyware. Whut up wit' dat? Anyway, killed the little buggers off, box is now minty-fresh and I will keep using this product to allay that "not-so fresh" feeling!
When the revolution comes, spyware programmers will precced barristers in being placed up against the wall!!!

[JohnDoe345]

shoes,

Sometimes cookies show up as spyware. The next time you run a scan see if some of them are cookies. Also, some programs installs spyware secretly. The worst are the ones the pretend to give you the option of not installing the spyware but does anyhow whether you choose yes or no.

[multi]

the cookies that have got me curious are the ones from doubleclick
who r they
want do they want
they seem veryy persistant look see i knew they would be there

[Snarkridden]

Quote: the cookies that have got me curious are the ones from doubleclick

Yes, that is the only one that Ad-Aware finds on my Email PC, I have no idea what triggers it, still trying to find out by visiting one site at a time and running ad-aware after each visit.

Now comes the trick, ran ad-aware reports NOTHING FOUND

Switch off content that I'm clean... Next Day, grab an email NO web browsing or anything, run Ad-aware again, damn Double-click cookie there again, so its resident somewhere, or triggered by a re-boot, who knows, Ad-Aware finds its cookie but not the source? maybe there will be another ad-aware upgrade soon?

I do wonder what is in it apart from prestige for Ad-aware in producing a FREE program, surely its not just for love?

Is Ad-aware going to be trusted vehicle for some future invasion on a massive scale, I hope not but all things are possible today.

Snark.

[multi]

I must agree i have been thinking along those lines as well
id like to thinkthis place was sweet ............
having no ads here is a blessing(i hope not in disguise)
uploading files from your computer .........
maybe easy to log
why did the other forums shut?
this place is very attractive..........
are we not getting monitored? lets hope so
it is so easy not to trust things online these days
fucking corporations have bought it out wholesale
and you know what that means
i found this bit scary from the salon.com link TG posted:
The payoff might seem slim -- companies like Cydoor and Ezula pay 10 or 20 cents per download. But multiplied by millions, such pennies begin to add up to a revenue stream. And the parasites themselves become the gatekeepers of viability. Like spores of mold endlessly seeking the most popular new software applications, they grace the survivors that hoist themselves out of the Net's teeming shareware underground with cash and a certain level of endorsement. The more parasites you have, the more others regard you as an evolutionary winner. And while the relationship may be imperfect, few developers -- particularly in the white-hot peer-to-peer area -- expect a breakup anytime soon.

"Money has to come from somewhere," says Niklas Zennstrom, one of KaZaA's co-founders. "There are many people who think that everything on the Internet should be at no cost and free of advertisement -- but that is, of course, not the way that companies can operate."

[gazdet]

Originally posted by multi inter user face
id like to thinkthis place was sweet ............
having no ads here is a blessing(i hope not in disguise)
uploading files from your computer .........
maybe easy to log
why did the other forums shut?
this place is very attractive..........
are we not getting monitored? lets hope so
it is so easy not to trust things online these days
fucking corporations have bought it out wholesale
and you know what that means"

Multi.. The Napsterites Underground forums are a non profit, technical storage area for members to discuss and develop all forms of P2P apps.

We have no need for ads simply because it is privately funded and we are not tied to any P2P format, we are not commercially oriented.

Members are encouraged to discuss and share their ideas on the development of P2P applications and other general topics with no strings attached, other than the common objective of sharing. (umm legally of course )

...a crazy initiative?...we don't think so

[multi]

all i was really trying to point out,gaz was thatits easy not to trust
anything online,especialy ad free
no offence to napsterites ,it was
just a bad example but the most handy at the time
i am glad to hear all that thoguess i am just going to have to trust you on that tho(kidding)
(Praise Be on those who supply the funds)

-multi

ps. dont let them tell you i am paranoid!

[JohnDoe345]

Originally posted by multi inter user face
the cookies that have got me curious are the ones from doubleclick
who r they
want do they want
they seem veryy persistant look see i knew they would be there

I get a lot of cookies from doubleclick also. I believe they come from the pop up window ads that a lot of websites have, and possibly even the embedded ones. If I remember correctly doubleclick use to have their own website. Anyone who visited them and did anything on their site were tracked, tag, and basically spyed upon. When the public found out about it their website went under. Well, this is all second hand knowledge so it might not be that accurate.

So I guess now they work for ad companies by providing them information about what their customers are interested in. This is a shame because legitimate advertising is what will keeps the internet mostly free. Adding spyware to ads is counter-productive. A lot of users are already cautious about the internet.

[multi]

how's the way this is presented
think its harmless tho
justa startpage but who really knows
what happens when you click i agree
that little click it seems can do a lot very quickly
once apon a time
i would have thought its just a start page
why not?
not these days tho
i know it will put a cookie
or beckon me to turn my cookies on
so? u may say ,get rid of it with ad aware then
but thats not quite the point
the same way the gullible and the unwary
are brainwashed beleifs about:
the "harmless"carbon emiting combustion engine
the real role of the UN re:third world affairs
this is an ongoing scheme to justify the facisim that is rife
in world politics
I am sitting thru exerpts of bush's stale ol' union
address and my guts are chrning not with disgust, but with fear:
not of terroisim, but of power abused and running rampant
-multi

[MikeHunt]

I hate spyware/ adware.... I listed some helpful programs in another thread..but I will list 2 here most relevant to the above comments.

1) Zeroclick2 ...eliminates 'doubleclick' from profiling you ..FREE ( look in freebies) from: www.nsclean.com

2) SpyBlocker 4.75 ...stops spys and bugs and ads BEFORE they get planted on your computer from: www.morelerbe.com/spyblocker
FREE also