Why Liberals Fear the Pledge of Allegiance

[Sinner]

love this article, and Yes Mazer I am beating a dead horse, but I don't care because it does bug me the way the word democracy is used today....

Just read, no need to respond.........


Why Liberals Fear the Pledge of Allegiance
By Jan Ireland
February 2, 2004

Liberals fear schoolchildren in America reciting the Pledge of Allegiance each day. They say they object to the under God phrase, the jingoistic nationalism, or the imaginary offense of the Pledge to minorities. But the hidden reason is that they have carefully encouraged the illusion that America is a democracy, and they fear schoolchildren reciting the Pledge will eventually notice the words. Not the words "under God"; the words "and to the Republic".

Our schools teach civics so poorly many Americans don't recognize a mistake when America is called a democracy. Warning bells don't go off when politicians say a law should be passed because 'most Americans' want it. Political correctness makes some minorities more equal than others, and globalism wants to redistribute what Americans have produced because we are said to have more than our fair share. The Uriah Heep UN greedily grasps any bit of power weak-minded liberals are fawning enough to cede to it. And all this is done in the name of being democratic.

But democracy is not the system of government our Founding Fathers set up, and it never should be. Direct democracy can be exceedingly dangerous to freedom. It can actually render a country ripe for takeover. Yet liberals still attempt to employ it, often right under our noses.

The sixties radicals wanted immediate redress to their particular list of wrongs, and literally took to the streets to demand it. They seemed to be trying to change American minds, and thereby policies and procedures, by sheer force of numbers and decibel. Their attempt at direct democracy left property damage, deaths of innocents, and likely increased rather than diminished the alienation they felt. (Unfortunately many of the sixties radicals cut their hair, shaved their beards, and threw out the flowers and headbands. Then they got jobs in universities and the EPA, or became trial lawyers and activist judges. In those positions they use their influence to impose the leftist agenda on America directly, though it's difficult to even type the word democracy in conjunction with them.)

The most galling recent example was probably the liberal attempt to claim the 2000 presidential election for the democrat candidate. Liberals said that Gore had a majority of the popular vote and was therefore the winner. The same script is being repeated three years later, though liberals know full well that the Constitution requires a majority of electoral (not popular) votes to win the presidency. And there is still that nagging question of how many popular votes for Gore came from the many suspected cases of likely voter fraud.

If a simple majority of popular votes was all that was needed, two or three huge urban population centers (say New York and one or two others) could literally control all election outcomes in America, with the heartland of America never having a voice. So it's not surprising that many liberals have called for the demise of the Electoral College, calling it outdated and not representative of the people's direct choice.

Direct democracy could be used by other countries against us. Mexico could quadruple the number of illegal aliens it sends here, combine them with liberals, and vote to return California to Mexico. Middle Eastern terrorists could bypass our immigration laws, or physically enter from Canada or Mexico, in numbers enough to constitute a popular majority, and then vote to place our government under Islamic fundamentalist law.

Direct democracy is attempted at the highest levels. Bill Clinton's famed poll watching was a clumsy attempt at direct democracy. He simply took constant innumerable polls, hoping to catch the wave of American majority opinion. His constant waffling would have been humorous, had he not actually been president at the time, and had he not created messes that we are still dealing with today.

The National Education Association is getting poorer at hiding its attempt at direct democracy. They're trying to get our children just after diapers, with universal preschool. The idea that the state is a better parent is straight out of communism and socialism, yet NEA claims it just wants to give every child in America an 'equal' start.

The NEA has also switched the educational focus in America from equality of opportunity to equality of outcome. With this has come the dumbing down of academics, and the differencing down of athletics. The specious Title IX programs purport to seek equality for girls, but actually are a swipe at the maleness of boys. The UN is beginning to implement International Baccalaureate programs in our middle schools, to feed into existing high school IB programs. Of course they have a global citizen curriculum, and again the path for socialism is being cleared.

Reading the Constitution once clearly shows that the Founding Fathers set up a Republic. When you read this article, start asking family and friends what kind of country we live in. But carry a copy of the Constitution with you. If the answer you get is 'a democracy, of course', show them the Constitution. Many you talk to may never have read it.

The Pledge of Allegiance: "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

[JackSpratts]

jingoistic sophistry.

- js.

[theknife]

Originally Posted by Sinner

Why Liberals Fear the Pledge of Allegiance
By Jan Ireland
February 2, 2004

Liberals fear schoolchildren in America reciting the Pledge of Allegiance each day. They say they object to the under God phrase, the jingoistic nationalism, or the imaginary offense of the Pledge to minorities. But the hidden reason is that they have carefully encouraged the illusion that America is a democracy, and they fear schoolchildren reciting the Pledge will eventually notice the words. Not the words "under God"; the words "and to the Republic".

do you actually post this stuff with a straight face?

[Sinner]

Originally Posted by theknife

do you actually post this stuff with a straight face?

I had to post the whole article, some of it is extreme I agree, but no different then the stuff you post now is it.....????

[Mazer]

Hey, this guy is entitled to his opinion, and just 'cause he's a little out there doesn't mean he's all wrong. Though you have to admit the possibility that there are people who don't like the pledge of allegience for these very reasons. But why anybody would want our nation to be governed by mob rule I haven't a clue.

Besides, I think the popular definition of Democracy has changed over time as the language itself has evolved. It isn't being changed by a specific group of people for their own purposes. English is weird, it has more words than any other language and most words have more than one meaning due to the huge variety of dialects among both native speakers and people who speak English as a second language. It's a miracle that it hasn't split into a hundred different languages by now.

In North America Democracy simply means that everyone has a say. Whether the things they say have any authority, or even any truth, doesn't matter. What is the most coveted right our Constitution provides us? The right to free speech. Democracy isn't only the right to speak freely, but that is one of its more important attributes.

But remember this. The right to free speech was guaranteed after the Constitution was ratified. Concievably our government had the ability to legally suppress free speech prior to the adoption of the Bill of Rights. That alone proves that our government is not democratic and never was. Or system of government is better than democracy, and since our Constitution allows for ammendment, it can get better than it is now.

[theknife]

Originally Posted by Sinner

I had to post the whole article, some of it is extreme I agree, but no different then the stuff you post now is it.....????

no disagreement that civics is poorly taught and often miscomprehended in US schools...but when you open with a nonsenical kneejerk conservative spitball right out of the albed cheapshot playbook, it's a little hard to take the rest of the article seriously (how about a link, btw?).

the point is that it's easy start any number of threads/articles with some variation on the "why do xxx hate America?" lead-in, and then paint the actions of the small handful of people you wish to marginalize with some political stereotype in order to cater to the ignorance and prejudice of the audience to whom you wish to appeal. however, if you need to use that sort of device to make your point, then you're either too lazy to do your homework or you don't have a valid point and you're really only interested in scoring points with the choir.

[mike4947]

Let's see; the "under God" was added in the early 50's under the height to Marcarthyism.
As for liberals voicing the word democracy, I'm hearing it more from the conversatives, both press and government lately.
Just goes to show you you can support any position on the net no matter how far off of center it is.

[multi]

It isn't being changed by a specific group of people for their own purposes.

you seem pretty sure about that ?

dont wave that white cane around too much ...you might hit something

[JackSpratts]

11 states now have laws forcing schools to display posters saying "under god" in the buildings. forcing.

- js.

[albed]

Link/Source???

[JackSpratts]

cbs radio news. yesterday.

- js.