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![]() What you lack in intelligence you sort of make up for in pissiness. Of course there's no way you can be entirely that pissy.
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this is the full powerpoint presentaion that pic came from |
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#103 |
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![]() Show me a link to an official U.S. military source site that claims that the picture shown above is an Iranian made mortar shell.
The Iranian made "Explosive Formed Penetrator" or EFP devices they have been talking about are not mortar shells and do not look like that. They can not be correctly classified as an IED (Improvised Explosive Device) because they are not improvised devices. They are being mass-manufactured in Iran for a specific purpose - to kill and maim Iraqi and coalition soldiers. The picture above is simply anti-Bush, anti-war propaganda. See picture below for the Iranian made EFP device.
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![]() Try again, if you wish.
The WP article you linked to does not show the picture of an 81mm mortar round and claim it was of Iranian origin. The article is NOT from an official U.S. military source. The WP article specifically mentions a special bomb type coming from Iran and specifically mentions "explosively formed penetrator" or EFP: Quote:
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The EFP devices are large and quite powerful. For example, a standard CD or DVD is 120mm in diameter. So, the 81 mm mortar shell is approximately 32% smaller in diameter than a CD. The EFP devices are about 12 inches (approximately 305mm) in diameter, or over two and half times larger than a CD, and about 376% the size of the 81mm mortar shell. Whereas the mortar shell explodes in a circular pattern, the EFP device directs the force of the blast in a narrow aimed direction. The article says photographs were not allowed during the presentation: Quote:
The 81mm mortar round depicted with a claim that the U.S. military stated it is of Iranian origin is apparently a hoax perpetrated by an anti-Bush, anti-war, anti-U.S. source. The article you linked to confirms the facts that I have posted regarding the Iranian made EFP devices.
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![]() Let the back-peddling begin.
Now we see why none of the "military officials" in Baghdad that presented the slideshow that DID include the picture of the mortor round were so keen on not being identified. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...8N8SBQO1.shtml |
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![]() The slideshow did include pictures of mortar rounds and rocket propelled grenades, as the WP article states. It is true that such munitions have been used to construct IED roadside bombs.
From the descriptions of the presentation, the slideshow did not present a 81mm mortar round as Iranian made. The Iranian made devices in question are not mortar rounds or rocket propelled grenades, they are EFP devices. IMO the statement Quote:
The 81mm mortar round picture and caption claiming that the mortar round munition is certified by the U.S. military as Iranian is simply a purposeful lie by anti-Bush/anti-war/anti-U.S. source(s). Again, it is the EFP devices that are Iranian made, or minimally contain Iranian made parts.
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![]() "In a news briefing held under strict security, the officials spread out on two small tables an E.F.P. and an array of mortar shells and rocket-propelled grenades with visible serial numbers that the officials said link the weapons directly to Iranian arms factories. The officials also asserted, without providing direct evidence, that Iranian leaders had authorized smuggling those weapons into Iraq for use against the Americans. The officials said such an assertion was an inference based on general intelligence assessments."
All under strict anonymity too because they knew it was all crap and did not want their names connected with it. The purpose was to plant the seeds, by way of the willing press, that Iran is killing americans in Iraq in the kool-aid drinker's feeble minds and they greedily suck it up and beg for more. Now say you're sorry for doubting me |
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![]() Iraqi insurgents using Austrian rifles from Iran
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...3/wiran313.xml Google will supply more news sources if you search. --More than 100 of the.50 calibre weapons, capable of penetrating body armour, have been discovered by American troops during raids. Within 45 days of the first HS50 Steyr Mannlicher rifles arriving in Iran, an American officer in an armoured vehicle was shot dead by an Iraqi insurgent using the weapon. They said 170 American and British soldiers had been killed by such weapons.
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Sure why not? I would be thinking about it if it were my brothers, sisters, husbands, wives, children being killed. Damn right, let us think about it, we will weigh all the pros and cons and see where we end up. My guess is it would not make sense to bomb Austria as lets say Iran. And I am not saying we should bomb Iran but this is where that logic thing comes into play. Who is the larger threat to stability in the region? Who wants to destroy another country, and not even hide the fact that is what they want to do? Who is directly supplying arms to insurgents who are killing Americans? Who is trying to make nuclear weapons and again not try to hide that fact? Any other countries you would like to consider bombing?
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Anyway, the press loves reporting information garnered from anonymous insiders. What's the big deal? |
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edit: to answer your edit. The big deal, I suppose would be it was a Press Conference; not a clandestine meeting. |
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![]() The democrats have apparently decided that having Iranian al-Quds killing U.S. military personnel in Iraq gives them more leverage in pressuring Bush to cut and run so they oppose any retaliation that would save American lives.
Not suprising at all. http://media-newswire.com/release_1043680.html |
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Nobody is suggesting that we bomb Iran over this. The goal is to keep Iran from meddling in Iraq's domestic problems, to keep Iranians from crossing the border. It doesn't really matter whether Iran's government is directly involved or not, it bears all the responsibility for al-Quds's actions. We certainly won't go to war with Iran over this issue, but we do have to press our case on them or these deadly weapons will continue to slip over the border, even after our troops leave Iraq. |
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The press conference was twice delayed and then moved from DC to Baghdad where the reporters were not allowed to have cameras or tape recorders. Then the mysterious "military officials" made very serious allegations against the Iranian government and in keeping with the total ineptitude of everything else the Bush admin has done or tried to do, presented easily debunked "evidence" which did NOT even begin to support their claims. Do I call that suspicious? Yes, yes I do. A spade is still a spade no matter how much quacking a lame duck does. |
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The Ayatollahs may not have ordered those weapons to be given to insurgents in Iraq, but those weapons were none the less given to insurgents in Iraq; it's Iran's fault for letting it happen. If calling a spade a spade means indicting Iran for it's involvement in Iraq's violent state, then so be it. Again, to reiterate, nobody is advocating war with Iran. Awe hell, there's no point in arguing with you. |
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If Bush said that; I would pass out in shock and maybe even awe that he for once told the truth. You call me irrational for doubting Bush's word? You do understand how ludicrious that is, don't you? And you will continue to argue with me because you like it. I think if I said the ocean was wet you would disagree and make a long post about how wet is really dry.... |
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![]() Believe whatever you want. You have my permission.
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