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19-07-05, 02:07 PM | #61 |
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It's pathetic enough that the liberals think they can whine, bitch and nag Bush into doing their bidding.
But when they try to use his kids for leverage it's just disgusting. The losers have lost again and still they just can't understand why. |
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Remeber this from last year???
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Its a 2nd term thing. All of the admins in recent history have been taken down a notch or all the way out during the 2nd term. Kennedy - Bang Bang Bang LBJ - Vietnam and knew better and wouldnt run. Nixon - Watergate Raygun - Iran Contra Clinton - Whitewater, Lewinsky, Jones and the other women, Lying. They are all fucking liars. Hillary will suck too! Meanwhile our leaders are letting the corporations sell us out to China and India while our southwest is being turned into Mexico. We all need to get together and realize that Democraps and Repuglicans are dividing us to control us. anyway... As soon a Fitzgerald is done investigating start looking for the name Henry Waxman in the newzzzzz. He will be the hangman. |
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the politics of distraction
Karl Rove's problems show no sign of diminishing - quite the opposite:
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I hope it's not all covered up.
US governments covering up stuff is becoming boring. But of course they don't do things like that. Whatever gave me that idea?
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But if You do,you will understand. We'll all help you. Sorry to keep picking on you. I just can't help it. You started it.
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a group of CIA veterans took issue today with the GOP talking points vis a vis the Rove security breach:
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White House press gaggle, today:
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21-07-05, 06:31 PM | #68 | |
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the white house is still leaking while it hides behind "investigations."
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as long as McClellan continues to try to feed this bullshit to the press corps, they have every right - even a duty - to fling it back in his face. |
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the Dems had their own little dog-and-pony show today, trotting out ex-CIA types to edify just how serious the Rove security violations really are:
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23-07-05, 03:58 AM | #71 | |
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interesting how you characterized them tk. some might call them ex-CIA analysts with an axe to grind against Bush & Co. i see they're led by the very able Larry C. Johnson. maybe you should read the now infamous op-ed he penned in July 2001, to see why he's a Former analyst, CIA. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/10/op...ays headlines July 10, 2001 The Declining Terrorist Threat By LARRY C. JOHNSON WASHINGTON -- Judging from news reports and the portrayal of villains in our popular entertainment, Americans are bedeviled by fantasies about terrorism. They seem to believe that terrorism is the greatest threat to the United States and that it is becoming more widespread and lethal. They are likely to think that the United States is the most popular target of terrorists. And they almost certainly have the impression that extremist Islamic groups cause most terrorism. None of these beliefs are based in fact. While many crimes are committed against Americans abroad (as at home), politically inspired terrorism, as opposed to more ordinary criminality motivated by simple greed, is not as common as most people may think. At first glance, things do seem to be getting worse. International terrorist incidents, as reported by the State Department, increased to 423 in 2000 from 392 in 1999. Recently, Americans were shaken by Filipino rebels' kidnapping of Americans and the possible beheading of one hostage. But the overall terrorist trend is down. According to the Central Intelligence Agency, deaths from international terrorism fell to 2,527 in the decade of the 1990's, from 4,833 in the 80's. Nor are the United States and its policies the primary target. Terrorist activity in 2000 was heavily concentrated in just two countries — Colombia, which had 186 incidents, and India, with 63. The cause was these countries' own political conflicts. While 82 percent of the attacks in Colombia were on oil pipelines managed by American and British companies, these attacks were less about terrorism than about guerrillas' goal of disrupting oil production to undermine the Colombian economy. Generally, the guerrillas shy away from causing casualties in these attacks. No American oil workers in Colombia were killed or injured last year. Other terrorism against American interests is rare. There were three attacks on American diplomatic buildings in 2000, compared with 42 in 1988. No Americans were killed in these incidents, nor have there been any deaths in this sort of attack this year. Of the 423 international terrorist incidents documented in the State Department's report "Patterns of Global Terrorism 2000," released in April, only 153 were judged by the department and the C.I.A. to be "significant." And only 17 of these involved American citizens or businesses. Eleven incidents involved kidnappings of one or more American citizens, all of whom were eventually released. Seven of those kidnapped worked for American companies in the energy business or providing services to it — Halliburton, Shell, Chevron, Mobil, Noble Drilling and Erickson Air-Crane. Five bombings were on the list. The best known killed 17 American sailors on the destroyer Cole, as it was anchored in a Yemeni port, and wounded 39. A bomb at a McDonald's in France killed a local citizen there. The other explosions — outside the United States embassy in the Philippines, at a Citibank office in Greece, and in the offices of Newmont Mining in Indonesia — caused mostly property damage and no loss of life. In the 17th incident, vandals trashed a McDonald's in South Africa. The greatest risk is clear: if you are drilling for oil in Colombia — or in nations like Ecuador, Nigeria or Indonesia — you should take appropriate precautions; otherwise Americans have little to fear. Although high-profile incidents have fostered the perception that terrorism is becoming more lethal, the numbers say otherwise, and early signs suggest that the decade beginning in 2000 will continue the downward trend. A major reason for the decline is the current reluctance of countries like Iraq, Syria and Libya, which once eagerly backed terrorist groups, to provide safe havens, funding and training. The most violent and least reported source of international terrorism is the undeclared war between Islamists and Hindus over the disputed Kashmir region of India, bordering Pakistan. Although India came in second in terms of the number of terrorist incidents in 2000, with 63, it accounted for almost 50 percent of all resulting deaths, with 187 killed, and injuries, with 337 hurt. Most of the blame lies with radical groups trained in Afghanistan and operating from Pakistan. I am not soft on terrorism; I believe strongly in remaining prepared to confront it. However, when the threat of terrorism is used to justify everything from building a missile defense to violating constitutional rights (as in the case of some Arab-Americans imprisoned without charge), it is time to take a deep breath and reflect on why we are so fearful. Part of the blame can be assigned to 24-hour broadcast news operations too eager to find a dramatic story line in the events of the day and to pundits who repeat myths while ignoring clear empirical data. Politicians of both parties are also guilty. They warn constituents of dire threats and then appropriate money for redundant military installations and new government investigators and agents. Finally, there are bureaucracies in the military and in intelligence agencies that are desperate to find an enemy to justify budget growth. In the 1980's, when international terrorism was at its zenith, NATO and the United States European Command pooh-poohed the notion of preparing to fight terrorists. They were too busy preparing to fight the Soviets. With the evil empire gone, they "discovered" terrorism as an important priority. I hope for a world where facts, not fiction, determine our policy. While terrorism is not vanquished, in a world where thousands of nuclear warheads are still aimed across the continents, terrorism is not the biggest security challenge confronting the United States, and it should not be portrayed that way. |
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23-07-05, 07:24 AM | #73 |
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Ex-CIA officers now. They must have gotten promoted by liberal propagandists.
And eleven, out of how many CIA employees? A few dozen? What a huge percentage. And Valerie Plame seems to have been promoted to "case officer". Cleverly based at CIA headquarters. |
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eleven is apparently the magic number these days. Congressman Henry Waxman details 11 separate breaches of national security regulations on the part of Bush administration officials relative to the Valerie PLame case. other sources have noted that people of interest to prosecutors include not only Rove ande Scooter Libby (would you trust any secrets to a guy named Scooter?), but Ari Fleischman, Karen Hughes, and Robert Joseph among others. Waxman has detailed the following security violations, involving not only phone calls but top secret memos as well:
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23-07-05, 11:58 AM | #75 |
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They go to eleven.
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24-07-05, 05:12 AM | #76 | |
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Here's something interesting I've just read.
Quite a bit of interesting stuff here. The Jon Stewart with Bernie Goldberg thing is funny. Hey Nic whoever wrote this hates Hilary too. http://www.bushflash.com/index.html "Okay- alone amongst the progressive/liberal blogosphere, I'm going to have to break the sad news, to those sharks swimming around the recent "Rove-gate." You've fallen into another distraction, here. Rove is laughing at us, and at you. This is the Bush/Rove tactics at their most transparent. I'm not diminishing the outing of Plame, in any way, in saying this. What Rove did was unconscionable, treasonous, and criminal- but ya know what? This is the way Rove does things- notice that, in recent months, scandal after scandal has been pouring out of the republicans and the Bush bowl? First it was Tom Delay- then it was the Downing Street Memo- now, it's Rove. They know how the american media works, and are well aware of how short the american attention span is. Yes- all the chickens are coming home to roost, and while we on the left enjoy seeing this happen, Rove and the Bush crime family are sitting back, and letting at all unfold- they know they'll never be called to account... Why? Because the way the media works. Let's go back in time, for just a bit.... Delay's corruption scandal was trumpeted by the left as a damning indictment of republican hubris- What did Rove and the republicans do? They spouted their soundbites, their talking points, and treaded water, until the media (and the sheeple) were distracted by Michael jackson, and the Downing Street memo. Once the downing street memo arrived on the scene, the left trumpeted this as the "smoking gun", that would bring down the Bush administration. The republicans dug in, spun their wheels, spouted their talking points and soundbites, until the bombings in London swept everything away. Rove, knowing that the DSM was enough of a powederkeg to survive this terrorist attack, decided to put his own wedding tackle on the chopping block, and provide the media with this newest scandal, knowing that the MSM (along with the progressive/liberal alternative media) would latch onto this story. Rove KNOWS damn well that he's a prime target, and doesn't mind one whit, putting himself on the line, as a temporary distraction, until the next story erupts, and we all go dutifully scrambling after the newest "scandal." Why would Rove do such a thing? Well- ask yourself- how many times, in the last two weeks, has the Downing Street memo been mentioned, via the MSM (compared to daily mention, prior to this?) How much coverage has been given to Bush's refutation of greenhouse gas restrictions, just in the past 48 hours? How much coverage has been given to the continuing collapse of "No Child Left Behind", and the dozens of other failures that are dogging this administration? None- not one, single word. It's been "Rove, Rove, Rove", and while weightier issues have fallen by the wayside, issues that are far more important, and meaningful, Rove has been basking in the light of media attention, and laughing at us on the left, while we spend so much energy going after him, and giving far more important issues a pass, in our collective bloodlust. Mark my words- in a few weeks, Rove will walk free of this, the next scandal will emerge, and the whole cycle will begin again. Rove is laughing at us, people. Just as I abstained from covering the fluff that was "Gannongate", I will not be covering Rove's latest subterfuge. In my mind, the Downing Street Memo is of far greater import, and far greater gravity, as an issue. This is a severe and true test of the "new media" of the blogs and the internet- will we follow in the steps of the MSM, and follow the "scandal du jour", and thus, dance to the tune of Rove, and others who "manufacture consent", or will we focus on what's important? I haven't much faith, by what I've seen, as of late... No matter what Rove did- treason, crime, or whatever, it pales in comparison to the criminality exposed by the Downing Street Memo. Rove knows he'll ride this one out (just as Bush as ridden greater scandals out), and by the time the smoke clears, no one will remember the DSM.... We're being snowed, once again..."
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the White House press briefings have become a daily game of dodgeball between McClellan and the press corps. the stonewalling on the part of the administration is so complete, the exchanges are hardly worth repeating...except for this:
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26-07-05, 10:57 AM | #79 | |
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This is kind of scary but I'm sure it won't catch on. Bloodlust and propaganda trump rational analysis and progressive solutions for their kind every time. |
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its just a rumor so dont get excited... ok...
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