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29-04-06, 06:44 PM | #21 |
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illegal immigrants are an essential component of the economy and deporting 12 million people is physically and politically impossible. call it a guest worker program or amnesty or whatever - might as well do it and get it over with.
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29-04-06, 06:52 PM | #22 |
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The mention of the seven year wait period and sponsorship reminds me very much of the endentured servitude most Americans' ancestors endured to earn their place in this land. It used to be that wealthy land owners would 'invest' in human capital by paying immigrants' way to the colonies and enslaving them for seven years before rewarding them with a little land and a little money. Endentured servants did this willingly. The result was a nation of staunch individualists who were able to liberate themselves from the rule of England despite their economic depression, their occupation by British troops, and their under supplied armies. They won because the United States is not just a nation of immigrants, it's a nation of the best and brighest immigrants the world had to offer; the product of a cultural eugenics movement, though nobody really understood that at the time it was going on.
I ask this question: if a seven year sponsorship for resident aliens allowed the thirteen American colonies to defeat and eventually replace Britain as the world's superpower, wouldn't it be wise to follow the same practices today? |
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29-04-06, 07:30 PM | #24 |
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It sounds just as phony as the claim that it's somehow impossible to deport 12 million criminals. I'm not sure how many are put into prison each year but it must be in the millions so people saying removing 12 million is impossible without any explanation why just reeks of bullshit.
Anyway if the U.S. government just starts imprisoning the criminals who employ illegal immigrants then the illegals would start packing and leaving on their own. The "essential component of the economy" for theknife is probably his weed supply. |
30-04-06, 06:45 AM | #25 | |
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Double standards are great to justify antisocial behaviour but it doesn't change the fact that it is hypocritical. Just one question for you guys. How many illegal immigrants have you known in your life? I have tyo ask because you people talk like they are a commodity. These are PEOPLE, with hopes and dreams the same as us. These are PEOPLE that are often caught up in a system that does not want to grant them citizenship. BTW Indentured servitude (see also slavery) ended a LONG time ago. As it should have.
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30-04-06, 08:33 AM | #26 |
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I wasn't advocating voluntary slavery, I was illustrating its positive effect on the gene pool. But I don't see anything wrong with making immigrants work to earn the right to become Americans. It needs to be proved on a case-by-case basis whether immigrants belong here. A lot of them do deserve the chance to make it here, but you know what, a lot of them don't. Hopes and dreams alone are not enough to qualify any immigrant for citizenship.
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01-05-06, 02:40 AM | #29 | |
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01-05-06, 10:43 AM | #30 | |
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01-05-06, 11:26 AM | #31 |
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I don't think dumwaldo's even smart enough to recognize a stupid person.
I'm smart enough to realize there are some 12 million criminals who've infiltrated the U.S.; exploiting its freedom, breaking its laws, subverting its institutions and fragmenting its society, and I don't think that's beneficial in any way. Arguments like; 'they are people with hopes and dreams' and 'bingo' really do show stupidity though. |
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I think we're all capable of making better arguments than these, guys.
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01-05-06, 05:47 PM | #33 |
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...and contributing nothing except the fictionalized versions of history you've become notorious for.
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01-05-06, 06:02 PM | #34 | ||
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so if you would care to make some sense, please do. |
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I think Teddy Roosevelt said it best "There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation of all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities."
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02-05-06, 11:57 AM | #36 |
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Its our corporate governments fault for allowing this to happen. The businesses that closed yesterday due to labor shortages should be prosecuted.
What really pisses me off is having to take my shoes off in the airport when millions of people every year just walk across the border. Homeland Security is a bad fucking joke. Im not mad at the illegals for coming here, Im mad at our goverment for letting it happen. At least those illegals know how to organize and march, something we dont know how to do anymore because we are so polarized. |
27-05-06, 05:05 PM | #37 |
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WTF does marching around do? If you want the government to do something you have to put up money and votes. Marching is just something for the media to videotape and show on TV.
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27-05-06, 11:49 PM | #38 |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Satyagraha
in 1930 it was a peacful protest march that contributed to the independance of India |
02-06-06, 03:17 PM | #39 |
Push "winky" ! Push!!!
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I`ve hatched a simple but effective security plan
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