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16-06-08, 12:28 PM | #21 | ||
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Fact is what obama wants to do and can do are entirely different. He won't end the Iraq war and can't as Mazer properly pointed out. Even if obama lasts 8 years we will still be in Iraq when his term ends. So go ahead and base your vote decision on your ignorance of presidential limitations and what some inexperienced, unknown politician says he WANTS to do instead of what he actually can do. Obama is counting on people like you to focus on the war, something he can do nothing about, and not on the real issues that ARE going to affect you like his major tax increase he will impose the minute he takes office, something he can and will do. Not that Im a big McCain fan but he never said he wants the war to continue indefinitely. He said we COULD be there for 100 years, not that he WANTS the war to continue. Not the best choice of words but at least he spoke the truth and reality of the situation in the middle east which is rare for a politician. |
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16-06-08, 01:41 PM | #22 | ||
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Okay, so run through the issues and how you feel the candidates stand on them. Oh, and try to do so without the insults. I know you feel it makes you 'win' the conversation, but it doesn't.
Can you have a reasoned debate on the stance of the candidates on the issues? Š
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16-06-08, 03:28 PM | #23 | ||
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16-06-08, 03:58 PM | #24 | |
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And what did you learn? You're so willing to swallow any shit at all you should have been sent to the ISS to replace that broken toilet. But you spew shit out too with your lies about McCain "wanting" to continue the war. You're too worthless to even serve as a shit collector. And - AWWWW; the lying, "McBush" squawking, scumbag doesn't like insults. Isn't he special.
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16-06-08, 04:44 PM | #25 | ||
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Aww, Albed insults people because he can't debate the issues.
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16-06-08, 05:54 PM | #26 |
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I've already explained what debating with a liar is like, and unlike you, the smell of shit doesn't appeal to me.
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16-06-08, 07:05 PM | #27 |
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c'mon, you're a Bushie, you've been swallowing shit for eight years. clearly, you've developed a taste for it
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17-06-08, 01:11 AM | #28 | ||
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Back to those issues. Notice how McBush changes his tune depending on who he's standing in front of? His latest? That he supports Bill Clinton's Supreme Court appointments of Ginsberg and Breyer? Who'd he say it to? Hillary Clinton supporters.
An unusual stance for someone who wants to overturn Roe. How do you know who/what you're voting for with him? Is there an internal memo? How many of the issues has he changed his position on now? that's easy: all of them. Š
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17-06-08, 10:31 PM | #29 |
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He didn't get to be a senator by telling people things they don't like hearing, diego. He's a politician like his opponent. We'll be seeing more of this from both men in the coming months, and here's the reason: getting nominated is a matter of appealing to the extremists in one's party while getting elected is a matter of appealing to the center. It's an anomaly of the two party system so I can hardly blame the candidates for adapting their platforms to the fickle whims of voters. The trick will be to make their flip flopping look like personal growth and not like pandering, and given Obama's perceived inexperience it will be easier for him to get away with it.
You're holding McCain to a higher standard than Obama, whether you realize it or not. Last edited by Mazer : 17-06-08 at 10:44 PM. |
18-06-08, 01:25 AM | #30 | ||
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Not at all. McCain has changed his stances on the issues, Obama has not. 'Everyone does it' is a cop-out. You know damn well that should Obama change his stance the GOP would have it all over the press. And so all they can do is down-play McCain's flip-flops.
The supposed 'maverick' of the Republican party, forging his own way, he has repeatedly reversed long-held positions and compromised what he has called his core principles. Then he's denied doing it. Then he's denied denying it. What happened to his stance on campaign reform? What happened to his stance on torture? Special interests? Lobbyists? Off-shore drilling? Immigration reform? Gay marriage? Bush's tax-cuts? Ethanol? Surveillance of the American public? Telco immunity? Gun control? The mortgage crisis? Social security? The list goes on and on. I'll use Social Security 'privatization' as an example. John McCain, last week: "But I'm not for, quote, 'privatizing' Social Security. I never have been, I never will be." John McCain in 2004: "Without privatization, I don't see how you can possibly, over time, make sure that young Americans are able to receive Social Security benefits." [C-Span Road to the White House, 11/18/2004] John McCain in March: "As part of Social Security reform, I believe that private savings accounts are a part of it - along the lines of what President Bush proposed. I campaigned in support of President Bush's proposal and I campaigned with him, and I did town hall meetings with him." [Wall Street Journal, 3/3/08] Which one is the 'straight-talk'? You would be hard pressed to name an issues he hasn't pandered on, then lied about pandering on, then lied about lying about pandering on. To be honest, you can't tell who he is or what he believes, but you can tell it would be a presidency governed by whomever he feels he has to please at the moment. Š
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18-06-08, 07:38 AM | #31 |
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So I take it you don't perceive his changes in attitude as personal growth. That's okay. For myself I don't expect either candidate to stick to the promises they made before they got nominated. You may call it pandering if you like, I call it the defining characteristic of all politicians.
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18-06-08, 08:35 AM | #32 | ||
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24-06-08, 02:04 PM | #33 |
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jcmd and albed: the deliverance boys...
Just a couple more pathetic excuses for shitbags that call themselves human. They would be better off as the communists they really are.... |
24-06-08, 05:40 PM | #34 |
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Squeal like a pig, boy.
Ooops, you've been doing that for a loooong time already.
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25-06-08, 02:42 PM | #35 |
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[quote=albed;262130]Squeal like a pig, boy.
That's your job, Ned. |
26-06-08, 02:12 PM | #36 |
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JCMD,
Guess what? We will have a black president. I see that pisses you off to no end, you bigoted bonehead. HAHAHA!!!! You ugly piece of dogshit. |
26-06-08, 06:38 PM | #37 |
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I agree
It really is time for a change
helter skelter to all the pol's
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REPEAT; BARAK OBAMA IS REFINING, NOT REVERSING, HIS OFT REPEATED PROMISE.SUCKERS
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I've always known your ability to discuss issues to be hampered by your ignorance of those same issues, and your seeming inability to talk to someone without your questionable upbringing shining through, but I didn't know that ignorance extended to your grasp of the English language.
Refine: to make more fine, subtle, or precise. To make fine distinctions in thought or language: improve, perfect, polish, temper, elevate, hone. Reverse: opposite or contrary in position, direction, order, or character A post on HiffPo covers it best, and so I'll quote it for you. Quote:
Obama, and a large majority of the American people, believe we should have remained focused on Afghanistan and that Iraq was a mistake then and is a mistake now. His stated position, which has not changed, is that we need to get our troops out of Iraq and return our attention to eliminating the Taliban and al-Qaeda. If you don't believe the Iraq invasion, or that our spending 10 bullion dollars a month there now, are mistakes then I question your judgment as much as I question McCains. Why are we spending 10 billion dollars a month on a country which is sitting on untold billions of barrels of oil? Why are they not paying it themselves? Why are we spending so much there, while cupping the budget for schools here? What the hell is wrong with the Conservatives and can they even be called 'conservative' any more? Or is it that they are only conservative when it comes to spending on Americans and are liberal when spending on their businesses and those of their associates?
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"We're going to try this again. Apparently I wasn't clear enough this morning on my position with respect to the war in Iraq.
Let me be as clear as I can be: I intend to end this war. My first day in office I will bring the Joint Chiefs of Staff in and I will give them a new mission, and that is to end this war -- responsibly, deliberately but decisively. This is the same position I that had four months ago. It's the same position that I had eight months ago. It's the same position that I had 12 months ago." - Obama |
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