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Old 20-06-08, 08:41 AM   #1
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An extremely smart move for Obama. Where he has told his supporters and the Democratic party to not fund 527s, McCain has said he will not. Not only that, but neither he nor the Democratic party will accept financing from lobbyists and special interests, where McCain's entire campaign is made up of them. Obama would be a fool to limit himself to the public finance program in the face of the GOP's 527s and lobbyists, and Obama is no fool.

As for your 'quote', it isn't. Surely you could make up something better? Oh wait. You're Republican and so have no imagination, unless you're imagining the money your party will make, and you will never see a penny of, by pushing the agenda of special interests. The GOP is bought and paid for, but it went at fire sale prices due to your candidate having the appeal of a warm piss on a hot day.

Did you get the GOP memo on how McCain's campaign manager has been working against America's interests for 4 years, and how McCain has known about it for 3 of those years? Oh, and that Airbus deal looks to be going south. More bad news for McCain and his lobbyist campaign, eh?


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Old 20-06-08, 04:38 PM   #2
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What's smart about breaking a promise that's been often repeated and well publicized? Kind of ruins one's reputation doesn't it?


An election with financial equality, based solely on issues and character, would have been a welcome relief from big money politics and endless campaign commercials, but Obama seems to have decided that his character and positions wouldn't get him elected despite his criticism of the alternative.

A new kind of politician my ass; he sells out as readily as any old politician.
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Old 20-06-08, 05:18 PM   #3
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McCain's idea of public financing is a sham. His special interest PACs and 527's adhere to no code. Obama said he would try to work it out with McCain and McCain wasn't interested, but he called off MoveOn anyways just to show your boy up.

I notice Black has been called out yet again. This time for lobbying for the TelCo's to get their amnesty deal. And from McCain's 'Straight-Talk Express' none the less.

Repubs just not having a good year of it are they? The trick to operating a good puppet is to not let the public see the strings.


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Old 26-06-08, 04:33 PM   #4
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Default Obama's not big on constitutional rights

The Supreme Court today ruled americans have a constitutional right to own guns.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080626/...FZXPbCGsKs0NUE
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John McCain welcomed a Supreme Court decision invalidating a District of Columbia handgun ban. Barack Obama sought to straddle the subject by saying he favors an individual's right to bear firearms as well as a government's right to regulate them.
A little odd that Obama can "favor" a constitutional right and the governments "right" to violate it. But I guess to liberals that just makes him "cool", not hypocritical.
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Old 27-06-08, 01:01 AM   #5
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The government does have the right to regulate guns. That is why those with a criminal history and the mentally ill can't have guns. Are you trying to say that isn't 'regulating guns', or are you against that regulation? Owning a gun and/or supporting the publics right to own guns isn't 'cool' and supporting regulations against them being in the hands of gang bangers and crazy people isn't 'hypocritical'.


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Old 27-06-08, 03:20 AM   #6
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Obama's history on the issue is clear, though the will to openly state his opinion is weak.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25397028/
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Obama has voted to leave gun-makers and dealers open to lawsuits. He also took largely liberal positions on gun laws while in the Illinois Legislature, including backing a ban on all forms of semiautomatic weapons and tighter state restrictions generally on firearms.
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The Democrat's campaign said a spokesman made an "inartful" statement when he said in November that Obama believed the D.C. law was constitutional. But Obama himself did not correct a debate moderator who repeated the position in February.

"You said in Idaho recently, I'm quoting here, 'I have no intention of taking away folks' guns.' But you support the D.C. handgun ban and you've said that it's constitutional," said the moderator, Leon Harris of Washington television station WJLA. Obama nodded as Harris spoke and said: "Right, right."
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In other instances, Obama refused to articulate a position when asked whether he thought the D.C. ban was constitutional.

The campaign would not answer directly Thursday when asked whether the candidate agreed with the court that the D.C. ban was unconstitutional, simply pointing back to his statement.
Pretty obvious he doesn't support the constitutional right to own guns but is afraid to say so.
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Old 27-06-08, 04:57 AM   #7
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He's been working in the South side of Chicago for the last 10+ years dude. He supports the rights of citizens to own guns, but not the right of citizens who shoot other citizens; which he has seen a lot of.

Is that not the same stance you yourself hold?


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