Democrats to drop renewable energy standard out of the energy bill

[multi]

You really are not very bright are you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group

Bilderberg Group Annual Meetings

* 1954 (May 29-31) at the Hotel de Bilderberg in Oosterbeek, Netherlands
* 1955 (March 18-20) at the Hotellerie Du Bas-Breau in Barbizon, France
* 1955 (September 23-25) at the Grand Hotel Sonnenbichl in Garmisch-Partenkirchen, West Germany
* 1956 (May 11-13) at the Hotel Store Kro in Fredensborg, Denmark
* 1957 (February 15-17) at the King and Prince Hotel in St. Simons Island, Georgia, USA
* 1957 (October 4-6) at the Grand Hotel Palazzo della Fonte in Fiuggi, Italy
* 1958 (September 13-15) at the The Palace Hotel in Buxton, England
* 1959 (September 18-20) at the Çinar Hotel in Yeşilköy, Istanbul, Turkey
* 1960 (May 28-29) at the Palace Hotel in Bürgenstock, Nidwalden, Switzerland
* 1961 (April 21-23) at the Manoir St. Castin in Lac-Beauport, Quebec, Quebec, Canada
* 1962 (May 18-20) at the Grand Hotel Saltsjöbaden in Saltsjöbaden, Sweden
* 1963 (May 29-31) in Cannes, France
* 1964 (March 20-22) in Williamsburg, Virginia, USA
* 1965 (April 2-4) at the Villa d'Este in Cernobbio, Italy
* 1966 (March 25-27) at the Nassauer Hof Hotel Wiesbaden in Wiesbaden, West Germany
* 1967 (March 31-April 2) in Cambridge, England
* 1968 (April 26-28) in Mont Tremblant, Quebec, Canada
* 1969 (May 9-11) at the Hotel Marienlyst in Helsingør, Denmark
* 1970 (April 17-19) at the Grand Hotel Quellenhof in Bad Ragaz, Switzerland
* 1971 (April 23-25) at the Woodstock Inn in Woodstock, Vermont, USA
* 1972 (April 21-23) at the La Reserve di Knokke-Heist in Knokke, Belgium
* 1973 (May 11-13) at the Grand Hotel Saltsjöbaden in Saltsjöbaden, Sweden [1]
* 1974 (April 19-21) at the Hotel Mont d'Arbois in Megeve, France
* 1975 (April 22-24) at the Golden Dolphin Hotel in Çeşme, İzmir, Turkey
* 1976 no conference. The 1976 Bilderberg conference was planned for April at The Homestead in Hot Springs, Virginia, USA. Due to the ongoing Lockheed scandal involving Prince Bernhard at the time, it had to be cancelled.
* 1977 (April 22-24) at the Paramount Imperial Hotel in Torquay, England
* 1978 (April 21-23) at the Chauncey Conference Center in Princeton, New Jersey, United States
* 1979 (April 27-29) at the Grand Hotel Sauerhof in Baden bei Wien, Austria
* 1980 (April 18-20) at the Dorint Sofitel Quellenhof Aachen in Aachen, West Germany
* 1981 (May 15-17) at the Palace Hotel in Bürgenstock, Nidwalden, Switzerland
* 1982 (May 14-16) at the Rica Park Hotel Sandefjord in Sandefjord, Norway
* 1983 (May 13-15) at the Château Montebello in Montebello, Quebec, Canada[8]
* 1984 (May 11-13) at the Grand Hotel Saltsjöbaden in Saltsjöbaden, Sweden
* 1985 (May 10-12) at the Doral Arrowwood Hotel in Rye Brook, New York, United States
* 1986 (April 25-27) at the Gleneagles Hotel in Gleneagles, Auchterarder, Scotland
* 1987 (April 24-26) at the Villa d'Este in Cernobbio, Italy
* 1988 (June 3-5) at the Interalpen-Hotel Tyrol in Telfs-Buchen, Austria
* 1989 (May 12-14) at the Gran Hotel de La Toja in La Toja, Spain
* 1990 (May 11-13) at the Harrison Conference Center in Glen Cove, New York, United States
* 1991 (June 6-9) at the Steigenberger Badischer Hof Hotel, Schlosshotel Bühlerhohe in Bühl (Baden) in Baden-Baden, Germany
* 1992 (May 21-24) at the Royal Club Evian Hotel, Ermitage Hotel in Evian-les-Bains, France
* 1993 (April 22-25) at the Nafsika Astir Palace Hotel in Vouliagmeni, Greece
* 1994 (June 2-5) at the Kalastajatorppa Hotel in Helsinki, Finland
* 1995 (June 8-11) at the Palace Hotel in Bürgenstock, Nidwalden, Switzerland
* 1996 (May 30-June 2) at the CIBC Leadership Centre in King City, Canada
* 1997 (June 12-15) at the Pine Isle resort in Lake Lanier, Georgia, United States
* 1998 (May 14-17) at the Turnberry Hotel in Turnberry, Scotland
* 1999 (June 3-6) at the Caesar Park Hotel Penha Longa in Sintra, Portugal
* 2000 (June 1-4) at the Chateau Du Lac Hotel in Genval, Brussels, Belgium
* 2001 (May 24-27) at the Hotel Stenungsbaden in Stenungsund, Sweden
* 2002 (May 30-June 2) at the Westfields Marriott in Chantilly, Virginia, United States
* 2003 (May 15-18) at the Trianon Palace Hotel in Versailles, France
* 2004 (June 3-6) at the Grand Hotel des Iles Borromees in Stresa, Italy
* 2005 (May 5-8) at the Dorint Sofitel Seehotel Überfahrt in Rottach-Egern, Germany[9]
* 2006 (June 8-11) at the Brookstreet Hotel [10] in Kanata, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. See picture of meeting location at time of meeting.
* 2007 (May 31 - June 3) at the Ritz-Carlton hotel[2] in Şişli, Istanbul, Turkey[11]


Would you like me to find the entry for the Trilateral Commission as well?

[Drakonix]

I actually have solar electric panels, a wind generator, and a Prius.

There is nothing wrong with being reasonably responsible toward the environment..

There is a large difference between acting with environmental responsibility and acting with knee-jerk environmental decisions based on less than all the facts.

The point here is that using tax credits to encourage investment in “green technologies” is a much better approach than taxing carbon emissions and playing the musical “pollution credits” ball and shell type game.

[albed]

"Tax credit" is just another deceptive term for government handout and if a technology is truly beneficial it doesn't need government handouts for people to invest in it.

Government sponsored alternative energy programs have been popping up for decades and most collapse as soon as the teat goes dry and just waste money and effort that private investment could have directed in a more productive manner.


If government officials want to come straight out and declare CO2 a pollutant they should honestly demonstrate its harmfulness and pass straightfoward laws restricting its release for the public good and then people will adapt with their own very superior ingenuity. But politicians only see fit to use it as propaganda to get themselves political support from the gullible.

If they truly wanted to reduce CO2, nuclear power is tried and proven, but again it's only been used for propaganda by politicians who aren't interested in anything but their own agenda.

[theknife]

Originally Posted by albed

"Tax credit" is just another deceptive term for government handout and if a technology is truly beneficial it doesn't need government handouts for people to invest in it.

no, but it sure helps. like it did for the railroads or the Internet or the Space Program. they don't teach you this in Wingnut 101, but there is lots of precedent for successful government investment in technology.

[albed]

I wouldn't say "lots" but your picks are hilarious; railroads were a morass of government corruption, shoddy construction, and monopolistic abuse in the 19th century, the government actually fought off private investment aimed at taking the internet public for a time, and the billions of dollars wasted and lives lost with that space shuttle boondoggle are a mark of government incompetence that even a semi-literate surf-monkey should know about.

[theknife]

Originally Posted by albed

I wouldn't say "lots" but your picks are hilarious; railroads were a morass of government corruption, shoddy construction, and monopolistic abuse in the 17th century, the government actually fought off private investment aimed at taking the internet public for a time, and the billions of dollars wasted and lives lost with that space shuttle boondoggle are a mark of government incompetence that even a semi-literate surf-monkey should know about.

corruption and waste is a moot point - these are investments in technology that were advanced in giant leaps because of government-industry collaboration and they spun off hundreds of successful industries. but it's fun to force you to argue with success.

[albed]

Oh bullshit, the railroads were basically just land grants and the internet was practically an accident and the shuttle was actually a step backward in space travel. Pry your lips off the government ass and get some fresh air.

[Nicobie]

The point here is that using tax credits to encourage investment in “green technologies” is a much better approach than taxing carbon emissions and playing the musical “pollution credits” ball and shell type game.



Yep, thats right....................

[multi]

I apologize for being off topic, but the reasons why these people who should be doing more to channel more resources to renewable energy development, are kicking them in the teeth instead...

While Bilderberg is a just one tiny conference of elite rich and political leaders.. the tip of an iceberg of corruption in high places, the idea that albed can just declare they 'they don't do anything' is pretty laughable.

its critics say Bilderberg's selection process gives an extra boost to aspiring politicians whose views are friendly to big business. None of this, however, is easy to prove - or disprove.

Observers like Will Hutton argue that such private networks have both good and bad sides. They are unaccountable to voters but, at the same time, they do keep the international system functioning. And there are limits to their power - a point which Bilderberg chairman was keen to stress, "When people say this is a secret government of the world I say that if we were a secret government of the world we should be bloody ashamed of ourselves."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4290944.stm

try some searches
http://www.google.com/search?q=clinton+bilderberg
http://www.google.com/search?q=bush+bilderberg
http://www.google.com/search?q=cheney+bilderberg
http://www.google.com/search?q=gore+bilderberg

bad mojo for the dems

[albed]

Originally Posted by multi

You really are not very bright are you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group

Bilderberg Group Annual Meetings

* 1954 (May 29-31) at the Hotel de Bilderberg in Oosterbeek, Netherlands
* 1955 (March 18-20) at the Hotellerie Du Bas-Breau in Barbizon, France
* 1955 (September 23-25) at the Grand Hotel Sonnenbichl in Garmisch-Partenkirchen, West Germany
* 1956 (May 11-13) at the Hotel Store Kro in Fredensborg, Denmark
* 1957 (February 15-17) at the King and Prince Hotel in St. Simons Island, Georgia, USA
* 1957 (October 4-6) at the Grand Hotel Palazzo della Fonte in Fiuggi, Italy
* 1958 (September 13-15) at the The Palace Hotel in Buxton, England
* 1959 (September 18-20) at the Çinar Hotel in Yeşilköy, Istanbul, Turkey
* 1960 (May 28-29) at the Palace Hotel in Bürgenstock, Nidwalden, Switzerland
* 1961 (April 21-23) at the Manoir St. Castin in Lac-Beauport, Quebec, Quebec, Canada
* 1962 (May 18-20) at the Grand Hotel Saltsjöbaden in Saltsjöbaden, Sweden
* 1963 (May 29-31) in Cannes, France
* 1964 (March 20-22) in Williamsburg, Virginia, USA
* 1965 (April 2-4) at the Villa d'Este in Cernobbio, Italy
* 1966 (March 25-27) at the Nassauer Hof Hotel Wiesbaden in Wiesbaden, West Germany
* 1967 (March 31-April 2) in Cambridge, England
* 1968 (April 26-28) in Mont Tremblant, Quebec, Canada
* 1969 (May 9-11) at the Hotel Marienlyst in Helsingør, Denmark
* 1970 (April 17-19) at the Grand Hotel Quellenhof in Bad Ragaz, Switzerland
* 1971 (April 23-25) at the Woodstock Inn in Woodstock, Vermont, USA
* 1972 (April 21-23) at the La Reserve di Knokke-Heist in Knokke, Belgium
* 1973 (May 11-13) at the Grand Hotel Saltsjöbaden in Saltsjöbaden, Sweden [1]
* 1974 (April 19-21) at the Hotel Mont d'Arbois in Megeve, France
* 1975 (April 22-24) at the Golden Dolphin Hotel in Çeşme, İzmir, Turkey
* 1976 no conference. The 1976 Bilderberg conference was planned for April at The Homestead in Hot Springs, Virginia, USA. Due to the ongoing Lockheed scandal involving Prince Bernhard at the time, it had to be cancelled.
* 1977 (April 22-24) at the Paramount Imperial Hotel in Torquay, England
* 1978 (April 21-23) at the Chauncey Conference Center in Princeton, New Jersey, United States
* 1979 (April 27-29) at the Grand Hotel Sauerhof in Baden bei Wien, Austria
* 1980 (April 18-20) at the Dorint Sofitel Quellenhof Aachen in Aachen, West Germany
* 1981 (May 15-17) at the Palace Hotel in Bürgenstock, Nidwalden, Switzerland
* 1982 (May 14-16) at the Rica Park Hotel Sandefjord in Sandefjord, Norway
* 1983 (May 13-15) at the Château Montebello in Montebello, Quebec, Canada[8]
* 1984 (May 11-13) at the Grand Hotel Saltsjöbaden in Saltsjöbaden, Sweden
* 1985 (May 10-12) at the Doral Arrowwood Hotel in Rye Brook, New York, United States
* 1986 (April 25-27) at the Gleneagles Hotel in Gleneagles, Auchterarder, Scotland
* 1987 (April 24-26) at the Villa d'Este in Cernobbio, Italy
* 1988 (June 3-5) at the Interalpen-Hotel Tyrol in Telfs-Buchen, Austria
* 1989 (May 12-14) at the Gran Hotel de La Toja in La Toja, Spain
* 1990 (May 11-13) at the Harrison Conference Center in Glen Cove, New York, United States
* 1991 (June 6-9) at the Steigenberger Badischer Hof Hotel, Schlosshotel Bühlerhohe in Bühl (Baden) in Baden-Baden, Germany
* 1992 (May 21-24) at the Royal Club Evian Hotel, Ermitage Hotel in Evian-les-Bains, France
* 1993 (April 22-25) at the Nafsika Astir Palace Hotel in Vouliagmeni, Greece
* 1994 (June 2-5) at the Kalastajatorppa Hotel in Helsinki, Finland
* 1995 (June 8-11) at the Palace Hotel in Bürgenstock, Nidwalden, Switzerland
* 1996 (May 30-June 2) at the CIBC Leadership Centre in King City, Canada
* 1997 (June 12-15) at the Pine Isle resort in Lake Lanier, Georgia, United States
* 1998 (May 14-17) at the Turnberry Hotel in Turnberry, Scotland
* 1999 (June 3-6) at the Caesar Park Hotel Penha Longa in Sintra, Portugal
* 2000 (June 1-4) at the Chateau Du Lac Hotel in Genval, Brussels, Belgium
* 2001 (May 24-27) at the Hotel Stenungsbaden in Stenungsund, Sweden
* 2002 (May 30-June 2) at the Westfields Marriott in Chantilly, Virginia, United States
* 2003 (May 15-18) at the Trianon Palace Hotel in Versailles, France
* 2004 (June 3-6) at the Grand Hotel des Iles Borromees in Stresa, Italy
* 2005 (May 5-8) at the Dorint Sofitel Seehotel Überfahrt in Rottach-Egern, Germany[9]
* 2006 (June 8-11) at the Brookstreet Hotel [10] in Kanata, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. See picture of meeting location at time of meeting.
* 2007 (May 31 - June 3) at the Ritz-Carlton hotel[2] in Şişli, Istanbul, Turkey[11]


Would you like me to find the entry for the Trilateral Commission as well?

Wow, what overwhelming evidence that it does everything you claim; a big list.

[multi]

making up fictional people to blame.

Yes! A BIG LIST!
So what now, idiot?

They sure have had a lot of annual meetings over the years for people that don't exist...

Maybe they just don't exist because you see them as untouchable, above the law.

[albed]

Maybe they don't exist because they don't do anything.