Bush fatigue, interrupted

[Mazer]

malva, Dr. Carmona is only doing what a lot of people wait to do until after they quit their jobs because in non-European countries people risk dismissal when they openly insult their employers. He could have spoken up at any time but he chose to do so after he got his last paycheck. He would have acted the same way no matter who he was working for, and so would most people, so free speech really isn't at issue here.

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[malvachat]

Originally Posted by Mazer

malva, Dr. Carmona is only doing what a lot of people wait to do until after they quit their jobs because in non-European countries people risk dismissal when they openly insult their employers. He could have spoken up at any time but he chose to do so after he got his last paycheck. He would have acted the same way no matter who he was working for, and so would most people, so free speech really isn't at issue here.

Okay,so why is paying a "personal price"an issue?
He may well be a coward and dishonourable,stayed in the job too long and lots of other things.
It doesn't make him a "lying nutcase"
It's something about these personal attacks all the time instead of addressing the issue.

Free speech in the states died a long time ago.
Along with a few more freedoms.
I don't worry about that here in the UK.Our administration system in this country is so flawed,they never let the right hand know what the left hand is doing.
For example,I have worked all of my life except for a couple of months during the years of TBW"That Bloody Woman"
Now I have four NI numbers and three different tax codes.
This has happened because I did a lot of temporary work a few years back.When I start paying on one code they write and tell me I should be paying another.It gets changed.Then because of the fact I have four different NI numbers I get issued with another tax code.Which when means I pay top rate of tax coz they think I have four jobs.I appeal of course.Everything goes back to normal and I get a tax rebate.
Till next year it all happens again.
I have wrote and phoned at least ten times over the years.This has gone on for six years now.
That is without the fact the house we live in is in three different names.My wife's first husband(left 15 years ago)Her old married name when he left.And now her new married name.
Every year we get council tax bills and rent bills for all three,post for all three from the council and everything else.
To date we have been done 27 times for non-payment.When the debt collectors call we explain and they go away.
Till when,guess what?You got it next year.
This has been happening for the last 14 years and they still can't get it right.
With this sort of thing going on all over the country I don't think we're in danger of a fascist state just yet.

[Sinner]

Originally Posted by malvachat

Free speech in the states died a long time ago.
Along with a few more freedoms.
I don't worry about that here in the UK.

Please provide me with some examples Mal. How and when did Americans lose the right to Free Speech? When did “Free Speech Die in the States?” Also what freedoms have Americans lost? What can they not do now compared to what they could do let us say ten years ago?

Maybe you think Listening in on international phone calls from suspected terrorist is one of these freedoms? Well I don’t know about you but I think National Security trumps suspected terrorist rights to not have their phone calls monitored. I don’t think the calls would be allowed to be used in court for any reason and I don’t think that is the purpose. National Security is. On this subject, you know why I know the first Amendment of the Constitution is alive and well. The America Media sometimes does harm to National Security and the government has not stopped them. The Media reports on how the government is trying to stop terrorist attacks and has provided the enemies information in the past, which was very helpful to them.

Since 9/11, how many terrorist attacks have occurred in the USA and how many have occurred in the UK? Who has a better grip on National Security? I don’t live in the USA but I visit a lot, so what Freedoms have been lost? I have not noticed one. Except Canadians and Americans need a passport now to cross the border. Big deal, National Security again, pretty important.

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Yeah I'll second that question -since you've made a rare post that wasn't in your usual drunken idiot style I actually read it- what freedoms have I lost? You must be getting "multi-syndrome"; living thousands of miles away from the U.S. but somehow thinking you know what's going on over here better than we do.

[multi]

here is the top ten from the Guardian

1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy
2. Create a gulag
3. Develop a thug caste
4. Set up an internal surveillance system
5. Harass citizens' groups
6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release
7. Target key individuals
8. Control the press
9. Dissent equals treason
10. Suspend the rule of law

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2064157,00.html

[malvachat]

So the pair of you still think you have free speech then?

[albed]

We asked you a question dipshit. I know what I have where I live. WTF do you know?