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25-02-07, 02:36 PM | #1 | |||
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25-02-07, 10:09 PM | #2 | |
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Please don't confuse my assertiveness for bitterness, or for animosity towards you, for that matter.
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The wealthiest and third most populous nation in the world can accomplish anything it attempts. If our military capabilities are diminished then it's due to a lack of will, not a lack of resources. So what happened to our resolve? What is this nation risking in Iraq that it can't bear to loose? What does an average guy like me, whose friends in the army have all safely returned from Iraq and who has lived comfortably for the duration of the war, what's at stake for me? What do I gain if the troops are yanked from their posts with their jobs left unfinished? Is it unreasonable for me to support the occupation on the principle that Iraqis deserve to live free? And must I be labeled a Bush fanboy simply because I happen to agree with him on the most important issue of the decade? |
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26-02-07, 11:26 AM | #3 |
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List of Parrot Squawks that we've all heard over and over:
The war cannot be won militarily.Do parrots really think they can pass themselves off as military experts? Given the past accomplishments of the world's most powerful military, that's a pretty silly phrase they've learned. If a democrat was president all the conservatives would be protesting the war.The Vietnam War was run by democrats and had plenty of protesters but they sure weren't conservatives. Another stupid thing to squawk, but parrots don't notice how stupid their phrases are, they just repeat what other parrots squawk. The war in Iraq is a horrible mess.Another proclaimation by the make believe military experts. Wars are generally messy but the parrots seem to think they should be quick and neat like some G-rated hollywood depiction. The U.S. military is overstretched and about to break.That's a years-old squawk that isn't much repeated because the prediction by the pretend-military experts just never happens. Everyone hates the U.S. because of the Iraq war.Propaganda has always been a component of warfare and when you have millions of brainless parrots, even with no reason of their own to hate the U.S., you can get them squawking whatever you want and make it seem like it's true. mandatory squawks:Any negative news about Iraq and republican politicians. forbidden squawks:Anything positive about Iraq (heroic actions, successful missions). Anything positive about republican politicians (booming economy, lower taxation). |
26-02-07, 12:58 PM | #4 |
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While most of the world supports democracy in general, they are not willing to die to help others achieve it. And the world's attitude towards African attempts at democracy are the unspoken reason why. Developing a functioning democracy takes time, and often gets ugly. In the 1990s, after half a century of socialism, communism and dictatorship, African countries concluded that the rule of law and democracy was the way to go. But the way was mined and covered with snipers and bandits. Making democracy works means overcoming a lot of people who are willing to kill you for your beliefs. Most of the world, and a lot of Americans, don't believe it's worth getting too involved in this process. It takes courage and self-sacrifice to aid others in building democracy. But courage and self-sacrifice are seen by most as spectator sports. The world sees Americans in Iraq as arrogant fools, for trying to practice what they preach. The U.S. is divided on this point. Do we fight for what is right, or be practical? No matter who rules Iraq, they will want to sell their oil. Terrorists will always be around, and will potentially have access to more powerful weapons. So what? Let the police take care of that. Building democracy and fighting the forces that oppose it is something you talk about, not something you send your soldiers to get mixed up in. That's what everyone does with Africa. Seems to work, for everyone but the Africans. For that reason, the world is hoping that the American effort in Iraq fails. Because if America succeeds in Iraq, ignoring Africa gets a lot harder.
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28-02-07, 04:36 PM | #5 | ||||||
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and so it goes, and on and on, but now and then we wonder who the real parrots are...
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Your staggeringly utter inability to deal with any given issue without invoking this relentlessly polarized caricature in your head--representing, arbitrarily, the absolute unwavering and uniform antithesis of all you consider decent, practical and effective--definitely does tend to make one think that a superfluous little detail such as 'the opposition doing the right thing' (if such a thing were indeed even possible in the version of the world which filters into your cramped little skull) would never, ever sway you from your jolly and purely imaginary crusade against them. Quote:
But, wasn't it 'your team' who claimed the war would be so cheap, quick, and neat--a virtual liberated glee club? And gee, I thought it was also part of the 'liberal agenda' to actually complain about the G-rated hollywood depiction of the war we are getting! Did I miss the new liberal parrot handbook? I'm almost certain the average 'liberal' is probably blessed with enough basic human empathy to have a clearer picture of the reality of war than you do, which is why they don't like it much and why they feel a damned good reason is needed for it. Your poster boy for the reason to go to war is hung and buried. For years you claimed with every fiber of your little typing fingers that the evil bastard must die so that Iraq could become master of its own destiny, certain they'd choose good ol' American democracy as their model for progress, which, you assured us, would be as easy as picking out a new wardrobe at the mall of governments under armed escort. And for years the 'liberal' antiwar argument has been that this was sheer fantasy, that the reality would be far more difficult and that even the best case scenario would fall short of this imaginary panacea. Now you're faced with the reality and the difficulty but still don't bother to concern yourself with it in any real way, instead squawking Stay The Course bwawk Stay The Course simply because that's what you've been taught to say. Quote:
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If there were a bit of sense in the "war on terror" it would in fact be a war against the hatred of America that brings terrorism about, not a feeding frenzy held in its honor; certainly not a platform for parrots like you to announce to the world that it can go to hell over and over and make people consider that all Americans might be as thoughtless, flatulent and vile as you. Quote:
As far as Iraq, it's certainly not our fault that the airwaves are not constantly awash in all those wonderful humanitarian documentaries that are unfolding. ...Oh, but wait, liberals control the media don't they. SQUAWK SQUAWK SQUAWK |
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