Russ Feingold to Help Republicans Move on To Stage 2: Anger

[Mazer]

You're right, Jack, the only thing at stake for most politicians is public image. This doesn't mean they are without conscience, that the deaths of thousands of Americans does not weigh heavily on their minds. I have no doubt that politicians on both sides want to save as many lives as possible. Miraculously, they can have such desires without ever knowing how rough a soldier's life really is. Being pushed outside of your comfort zone and having your life threatened is not a prerequisite for being commander in chief, though often that is a consequence of becoming president as 18 of them well know. A few new leather chairs and TV's won't actually make Bush more comfortable, Jack, they'll only reduce visits to the chiropractor and optometrist.

And as for his level of intelligence, until you show me his certified I.Q. and it's below 100, you're full of hot air. He's the most well informed an best advised person in the world. His perceived lack of competence is nothing more than the public's lack of confidence in him and I trust his gut more than your's.

Originally Posted by RDixon

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...ts&btnG=Search

Clever.

[albed]

Originally Posted by JackSpratts

bush? guts? hell, how would anyone know? he's never put himself in harms way. not during vietnam and not now.

this is a guy who regularly puts others in danger but not himself.

the only heat he might take is printed criticism - but he doesn't read inside the papers ("i see the headlines.") so he avoids even that.

he recently spent large sums of your money to have his little situation room all tricked out with comfy leather chairs and slick flat screen tvs so he could conference in james bondian comfort - while the troops are getting their asses blown out of broiling humvees on the other side of the world.

nah, this twerp doesn't have guts, and we know he doesn't have brains. just a reptilian sense of self preservation combined with a patholigical delusion there is a god and he's been annointed by him.

guts. christ that's a laugh.

- js.

Lmao; it's like a flailing temper tantrum thrown by a two year old who doesn't get his way.


Bush made his promises and commitments and he's standing by them. Unlike so many others.


I think Bush will go down in history as "President Guts".

[malvachat]

Originally Posted by albed

I think Bush will go down in history as "President Guts".

And you think that is a good thing?
Thousands of men lose their life's.
Thousands of children without their fathers.
All this to prove Bush has guts?
Not a father yourself then?

The whole thing in Iraq has gone wrong.
The real gutsy thing would be to admit this.
Then get to work,to see about getting out of there.
Not more of the same.
At home here,Blair has been mostly quite a good prime Minister.
But his support of this thing in Iraq has ruined his creditability.Which I think is a shame.

[RDixon]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-ge...p_b_40542.html

Let's play hardball.

[albed]

It's still not dawning on the clueless crowd: there's not going to be a quick end to the troop deployments any more than there'll be an end to congress's corruption or its poor work ethic.



The seductive whispers in the ear have served their purpose but now the one-nighter is over and it's time to pull up your panties and sob your way home.

[Mazer]

When your party holds a majority by the narrowest of margins, partisanship gets you nowhere.

[JackSpratts]

Originally Posted by Mazer

His perceived lack of competence is nothing more than the public's lack of confidence in him.

hehe. i read some of your latest stuff mazer and burst out laughing. "nothing more." good one lol, but re iraq you can't back up nor provide evidence for.

it's pure fantasy. well, delusion actually.

i don't hold it against you. we all have ours. no one takes yours seriously (except the christian right and even they are backing away) and most importantly you're not sending kids off to die, but it is increasingly disconnected from reality.

- js.

edit. i just saw albed's pout. "president guts" is even zanier than "nothing more."

[albed]

Pretending the military is made up of "kids" is another glaring example of leftist ethics.

Or senility.

[RDixon]

Since I've failed to herd the discussion back towards the topic...
I'l jump head long into the tangent.

BUSH'S GUT.

Bush's gut told him Saddam had massive stockpiles of wmds. - He didn't.
Bush's gut told him Saddam was persuing nukes. - He wasn't.
Bush's gut told him Saddam was responsible for 9/11. - He wasn't.
Bush's gut told him that the generals who said it would take 400 to 500k troops to win in a war with Iraq were wrong and he fired them. - They weren't wrong.
Bush's gut told him that the Iraqi people wanted to be "liberated". - They didn't.
Bush's gut told him that he is the "decider". - He isn't.
Bush's gut told him he is above the law, any law. - He isn't.

Name one thing Bush's gut has been right about.

America does not need a president who continues to trust his gut feelings and act on them when time and again they prove to be wrong.

[Ramona_A_Stone]

Originally Posted by albed

Why don't you try to be an unbigoted whiner and complain about how I drag out drug and alcohol abuse to bash people...

Originally Posted by albed

...or their religious beliefs...

Originally Posted by albed

...or their obvious low intelligence?

Wow skippy, how does it feel to be such a slimy paragon of hypocrisy?

I dunno, but I can tell you it just looks incredible.

[albed]

???-Ramona's latest bitch slapping must have knocked something loose in his head.

[Ramona_A_Stone]

Yeah. Pretty much answers my question.

[Sinner]

Originally Posted by RDixon

Since I've failed to herd the discussion back towards the topic...
I'l jump head long into the tangent.

BUSH'S GUT.

Bush's gut told him Saddam had massive stockpiles of wmds. - He didn't.

Several hundred chemical weapons were found, and Saddam had all his WMD scientists and technicians ready. Just end the sanctions and add money, and the weapons would be back in production within a year. At the time of the invasion, all intelligence agencies, world-wide, believed Saddam still had a functioning WMD program. Saddam had shut them down because of the cost, but created the illusion that the program was still operating in order to fool the Iranians. The Iranians wanted revenge on Saddam because of the Iraq invasion of Iran in 1980, and the eight year war that followed.

Bush's gut told him Saddam was persuing nukes. - He wasn't.

See above, but Let’s say the USA never did invade Iraq and Saddam was still in power, it is no secret Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons. Do you really think he wouldn’t be?

Bush's gut told him Saddam was responsible for 9/11. - He wasn't.

Al Qaeda was a growing movement before 2003, and before 2001. But after the Iraq invasion, and especially the Sunni Arab terrorism, al Qaeda fell in popularity throughout the Moslem world. Arab countries cracked down on al Qaeda operations more than ever before. Without the Iraq invasion, al Qaeda would still have safe havens all over the Arab world.

Bush's gut told him that the generals who said it would take 400 to 500k troops to win in a war with Iraq were wrong and he fired them. - They weren't wrong.

Link?

Bush's gut told him that the Iraqi people wanted to be "liberated". - They didn't.

Change “They” to the murderers, rapist, tyrants, terrorist then your are right. They liked Iraq the way it was. You say Iraqis Were Better Off Under Saddam. Most Iraqis disagree. Check election results and opinion polls. Reporters tend to ask Iraqi Sunni Arabs this question, but they were the only ones who benefited from Saddams rule. The minority not the majority.

Bush's gut told him that he is the "decider". - He isn't.
Bush's gut told him he is above the law, any law. - He isn't.

example?

[RDixon]

President Bush: “The main reason we went into Iraq at the time was we thought he had weapons of mass destruction. It turns out he didn’t.”

You can see this at:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea.../20060821.html

The Iraq Survey Group, headed by General Dayton, set up by the intelligence department within the Pentagon, whose final report says, “While a small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions have been discovered, ISG judges that Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991. There are no credible indications that Baghdad resumed production of chemical munitions thereafter.” The report also mentions that there is no proof that WMDs were sent to Syria. You can Google the report.

Even General Colin Powell has admitted that his presentation to the UN to justify the war turned out to be totally false. He now says it was the biggest mistake of his career.

Then, of course, there are the reports of the UN weapons inspectors who told us before the war that Iraq had no WMDs.

I challenge you to provide credible documentation that disputes the President, the ISG, the UN and General Powell’s admissions that Iraq did not have WMDs.

If you succede I will give consideration to the rest of your assertations and discredit them too...

[Mazer]

Originally Posted by JackSpratts

hehe. i read some of your latest stuff mazer and burst out laughing. "nothing more." good one lol, but re iraq you can't back up nor provide evidence for.

it's pure fantasy. well, delusion actually.

i don't hold it against you. we all have ours. no one takes yours seriously (except the christian right and even they are backing away) and most importantly you're not sending kids off to die, but it is increasingly disconnected from reality.

- js.

Either I'm deluded or the majority of Americans are. We won't know which for quite some time.