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15-01-07, 11:39 AM | #1 | ||
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so the US should never leave Iraq?
because you will not enforce democracy on them any other way Quote:
because of him and Rothschild that there is such a problem there in the first place Quote:
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And I am not forcing Democracy on anybody.
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15-01-07, 01:35 PM | #3 | |
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I didn't mean to infer that you were personaly..
but the west and it previous incarnation has been enforcing democracy on a large portion of the human race for the last few hundered years usually leaving some civil war in it's wake Quote:
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15-01-07, 02:39 PM | #4 |
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it's not the 1930s and Iran is not even close in comparison to Germany.
that argument not only doesn't fly, it sinks too. Iran has done nothing to me or the USA and I do not believe they have plans to attack me or my country. If they do attack us then we WILL make their country uninhabatible for a few thousand years. I know this, you know it, and most important, Iran knows it. Cheney & Bush are frothing at the mouth wanting to invade Iran for Israel but there is a big fly in the wrench and monkey in the ointment. After their Iraq justifications proved to be ALL LIES, we the american people will not allow another illegal war. period, end of story. they can rattle their sabers all they want but Bush & Cheney are both paper ducks now. the best they can hope for is to stall the withdrawel of troops from the lost war in Iraq until Bush leaves office. |
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15-01-07, 04:46 PM | #6 | |
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the rubber stamp congress is gone. the neocon enablers were sent to the unemployment line. the prez can be impeached now and he is on thin ice. even bush isn't stupid enough to chop out a circle around him in the ice. |
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15-01-07, 08:17 PM | #7 |
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Who are you talking about? Who didn’t want democracy? The insurgents? The Terrorist? The Dictators? The citizens? I think one of those four did want democracy, guess which one. The rest of your post is non-sense.
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The truth is the same as it was with Iraq; Iran is not a threat to the USA. The USA is NOT Israel. If Iran nukes Israel; so what? Israel then retaliates and the problem solves itself without costing me a dime or a trillion dollars. If the Israeli people don't like that possible future then let them change it or avoid it or maybe even change their government which is leading them on the path to destruction. Not my problem and I will not allow it to become my government's problem like they did with Iraq. |
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So you would take the stance the USA took when Germany invaded Poland and France during the World War. It is miles away so who cares. Well it didn’t take long for America to get attacked did it? America showed weakness and paid for it. Iran does not need to attack the USA directly, there are thousands of people standing in line to harm the USA, whether it be a dirty bomb, release chemicals in major cities, fly planes into buildings, or even fill a truck up with diesel fuel and fertilizer. And Iran supports and will help any and all of them any way they can.
If Iran nukes Israel there is no question the USA, Britain, and other allies will be in a full scale war with Iran and their allies and because nukes were used the cost to you and your nation will far exceed what Iraq has cost. There is no way you can believe America would allow an Extremist like President Tom nuke any country, never mind Israel and America is joined at the hip with Israel like it or not. It already is your government's problem, again like it or not, you may choose to ignore it and vote for bleeding heart liberals, it will not change this fact. Last month there was a Gulf Cooperation Council meeting which included six of the Arab states, they met in Saudi Arabia and did a lot of talking about the threats from Iran. It is a fact that Iran is providing material for support on attacks against American troops, One of the Arab leaders reached the conclusion that Iran has already drawn up plans to take over Iraq once the USA backs out. They also determined that Iran is increasingly putting a stranglehold on Lebanon, by funding Hezbollah, and on Syria, a country that is dependent on them for support. Iran wants the take over the Middle East. Egypt released a statement saying "We don't want nuclear arms in the area but we are obligated to defend ourselves...It is irrational that we sit and watch from the sidelines when we might be attacked at any moment." Sounds like they want nukes too, sounds like there maybe another arms race. No way the USA stands by and allows this to happen, even if it just means they put more money into weapon development to stay ahead of the game. To win in Iraq the USA and the rest of the Middle East will have to get control of Iran by what ever means necessary, be that talks or be that war. I hope talks but really has that ever worked????
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Sinner's analysis seems pretty close to me, but if it's money you're worried about then what you should focus on is Iran's effect on the oil markets and the oil markets' effect on gas prices and the overall economic situation here at home. If we can nullify those effects by finding alternative energy sources then that's what we should do, but that solution is still a few years off and Iran's threat is imminent. It absolutely sucks, but that's the situation today and we've gotta deal with it. You may not think that military action is necessary, and you're probably right, but you can't seriously believe that no action is necessary. |
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I can still remember a time when almost every American supported the neocons and Bush's approval rating was better than 85%. Quote:
We can't really give democracy to people, all we can do is put them in the position to govern themselves. We hope they will do so wisely, but if they can't then it's because of their own intolerance and prejudice. You can blame the people who offered them the opportunity to be free all you want, but in the end a democratic nation has to collectively determine its own future, and the all the credit and the blame for their actions lies with them. |
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I don't like the way you live so I bust into your house, break all your stuff, and put you in a position to live the way I think you should. And leave a few of my weight lifting buddies living with you to make sure you don't revert to your old erroneous ways. According to your way of thinking, I am with in my rights to do that and expect you to bake cakes for me in thanks. |
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16-01-07, 09:11 AM | #14 |
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Next target Tehran
All the signs are that Bush is planning for a neocon-inspired military assault on Iran
Dan Plesch The evidence is building up that President Bush plans to add war on Iran to his triumphs in Iraq and Afghanistan - and there is every sign, to judge by his extraordinary warmongering speech in Plymouth on Friday, that Tony Blair would be keen to join him if he were still in a position to commit British forces to the field. "There's a strong sense in the upper echelons of the White House that Iran is going to surface relatively quickly as a major issue - in the country and the world - in a very acute way," said NBC TV's Tim Russert after meeting the president. This is borne out by the fact that Bush has sent forces to the Gulf that are irrelevant to fighting the Iraqi insurgents. These include Patriot anti-missile missiles, an aircraft carrier, and cruise-missile-firing ships. http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,,1990498,00.html |
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